Update - Holroyd's Role with the World's Largest Protest Sign: For Bob Enyart's project when American Right To Life unfurled on the Rocky Mountains overlooking metro Denver the world's largest protest sign, against Barack Obama and the DNC (see AmericanRTL.org/sign), Dr. Ed Holroyd took over the job of the project's site selection committee and chose the east face of North Table Mountain in Golden.

This program is considered a special edition of Real Science Radio because of it's segment on the transient nature of Saturn's rings.

• Archaeologist Steven Baird, of EvolutionOnTrial, talks to Bob about the debunked claim that mankind evolved from Lucy.

This is a special edition of Real Science Radio.

Today's program has been designated as a Special Edition of Real Science Radio because of the alleged "Natural History" Museum segment later in the program:

* Denver Museum Curator Kirk Johnson: Bob Enyart attended the Denver Museum of Nature and Science along with scores of Christian homeschoolers. When Bob questioned the truth of an exhibit aimed at kid's eye level, museum curator Dr. Kirk Johnson answered a question with a question by quoting Pontius Pilate: "What is truth?"

* Looking for Common Ground with Captain Kirk: The creationist tied to find common ground with the atheist. Hoping to get the curator, whom we now fondly refer to as Captain Kirk, to at least admit to the existence of some truth, Bob asked, "Dr. Johnson, do you exist?"

The Ground Might Not Exist: To which Dr. Johnson answered, "I don't know if I exist." This occurred in view of a home-school crowd attending the museum and inf front of a Colorado Springs Gazette reporter.

If Captain Kirk Exists, Then What? Enyart then suggested to Kirk: Dr. Johnson, you intuitively fear God and so you are refusing to admit that truth exists because you know where truth will lead you. Truth will lead you to the God of truth.

Dr. Kirk Johnson's Intellectual Tantrum: Of course that's exactly where Dr. Johnson doesn't want to go. Rather, he threw an intellectual tantrum by implying that it was just possible that he might not exist. Rather than analyzing his behavior as an example of being unable to think, Johnson knew exactly the implication of admitting that any truth whatsoever exists. Along with countless other atheists, he is afraid that if he admits that he himself exists, then that means that there is truth. And he's afraid of the implications of the existence of truth, because it inexorably leads to the existence of the God of Truth. If this were not so, millions of atheists (and those who mimic them) would not deny the existence of truth.

Don't They Know If They Made Life Yet? Articles in the Rocky Mountain News (before it folded) and in the Colorado Springs Gazette (back when they could still afford to keep their archives online) quoted Denver Museum curator Dr. Kirk Johnson saying that creationists like our friends at BC Tours are "quite backward and intellectually dishonest" and that "they don't believe science exists." And this from a man, whom we fondly refer to as Captain Kirk, who told us that he doesn't know if he exists! Bob's letter to the Gazette (below also) asks, "It's been fifty years since that Miller experiment! Don't they know yet if they made life or not?"

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* Bob Debates Ph.D. Evolutionist Eugenie Scott: One of the world's leading anti-creationists vs. Bob Enyart. The debate is decided in the first round, by TKO. That’s after Bob asked the well-known scientist for any evidence that any high level function had ever evolved, like eye sight, or hearing, or flight, or mobility in general? Through the hour-long debate, this evolutionist refused to offer any such evidence.

* 2012 Update: A landmark study published in the journal Nature reveals that 440 researchers working in 32 laboratories around the world have so far been able to identify function for 80 percent of the human genome! And a project leader is predicting that eventually, we will learn that about "100%" of the genome is functional. (ENCODE Consortium, Dunham, et al., Nature, 2012, pp. 57-74, and see RSF's fun program on this report!) So what previously was used, everywhere, as evidence against creation and for evolution, can no longer be honestly used in that way. After all, if it ever were a valid offering of evidence, now, it is evidence against Darwinism and for creation. Wish as they might, evolutionists can't have it both ways. After all, when the scientist finally reaches the summit, he finds the theologian already there.

* JUNK DNA: Eugenie Flubs Genetics Prediction, Creationist Hits the Bull's-eye. The negative evidence that Eugenie did offer was Junk DNA. This scientist, from her Darwinist worldview, therefore didn't offer scientific evidence but made this philosophical argument about what a Creator would or would not do; namely, that He wouldn't fill our genome with so much non-protein-coding DNA. While some simple worms have 20,000 genes, it is typically a small portion of DNA that actually codes for proteins. A human has only 20,500 genes, which fills only 2% of our genome. Yet the widespread evolutionary claim for decades (including through the last two decades, and for many, still held today) was that the rest of the genome was left-over evolutionary garbage. Debating this physical anthropologist, Bob Enyart was just a Christian fundamentalist talk show host who spoke from his biblical worldview. Bob argued that our knowledge of genetics was in its infancy, and that it was too early to make the determination that all those non-coding segments of DNA had no function. After this 1998 debate, the next decade of explosive genetic discoveries overwhelmingly validated this creationist perspective, so much so that aside from coding for 20,500 proteins, it is estimated that the remainder of the genome has approximately four million other functional regulatory segments of DNA. So much for junk. Fulfilled predictions, as the world saw with Einstein's 1919 eclipse prediction, go toward scientific credibility. However, Dr. Scott strongly rejected this creationist prediction making an extraordinary claim, which Bob immediately offered her to retract, that scientists currently knew everything they would ever need to know about genetics to conclusively state that all those regions were useless junk. Bob would love a rematch. But Eugenie Scott, (Ph.D. in Physical Anthropology, leading anti- creationist, and director of the National Center for Science Education), who had just debated evolution on a nation- wide PBS television program, ended this one-hour program with Bob stating, "Well, I don’t debate."

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