* Bob and Fred on the League of Reason Debate: The RSR co-hosts talk about Bob's written creation/evolution debate with AronRa and the League of Reason's Soft Tissue Deniers. (See the photo from an actual T. rex at the right, an image of a biofilm below, and the great two-minute video below.) The tissue deniers are both fearful of and willingly ignorant of the many recent peer-reviewed journal reports confirming five soft-tissue dinosaur finds!

* AronRa's Statistics: Hear about Aron criticizing Bob for using the same number of U.S. doctors (34%), from the same study that 'Ra used (Finkelstein's), of those who prefer intelligent design over evolution! And then there's that completely fabricated 99.86% stat that atheists have been claiming for years...

* And Then There's Lord Kelvin Himself: Check him out on RSF's KGOV.com/fathers-of-science#kelvin!

* Fish Fin Designed by God:  A dorsal fin, called an adipose fin, on some fish was thought by evolutionists to be a left over (vestigial) structure from its evolutionary past. Believing this to be so, biologists in fish hatcheries would cut these fins off thinking it would help the salmon survive better in the wild. It has now been shown that fish with that particular fin still attached are better swimmers. At one time, evolutionists believed that there were over 100 so-called vestigial organs, glands, or structures in the human body. Practically all have now been shown to have important functions with the trend indicating that the evolutionary assumptions here will have been wrong every time.

* Dinosaur Death Pose: Fossils of dinosaurs all over the world are found with their necks and heads bent backwards. Experiments show that the necks and heads of dead birds today that are buried in watery graves also bend backwards in the same manner. This is additional evidence supporting the creationist assertion that these articulated dinosaur skeletons were buried in a flood -- a big one. Bob asked if anyone in the audience would be willing to replicate one of the quail experiments mentioned. See this also at New Scientist.

* Old(er) Bird: Once again the evolutionary time line is set on its head. This time by a find in China in which a bird fossil is said to be much older than the supposed first bird, Archaeopteryx.

* Humming Bird Beaks: The beak of a humming bird is very flexible and can snap shut at an amazingly-fast speed (in just one-hundredth of a second), allowing for the bird to catch those pesky but very fast fruit flies.

* Did You Know that the Jellyfish-like Man-of-War Consists of Four Animals? Bob Enyart and Fred Williams describe the four symbiotic zooids that together form a colony making up the composite animal called the Portuguese Man-of-War. The guys present such complex interconnections as a challenge to those who believe in naturalistic origins. While these four zooids share the same DNA, unlike organs or limbs in our bodies, when separated, these individual zooids can survive on their own, admittedly though, not for long.

* Written Debate with Atheist AronRa Begins: The online written debate with well-known atheist AronRa began this week, so RSR describes Bob's first-round post and challenge about Isaac Newton to Aron. Stay tuned!

* Conclusion of the List: Today's program concludes last week's Part 1 of RSF's 2012 List of Not So Old Things which discussed the first half of these spectacular discoveries of dinosaur soft tissue, Adam & Eve in DNA, 3rd stage super novas, and carbon 14 everywhere it shouldn't be! Real Science Friday co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old. Many of these scientific finds demand a re-evaluation of supposed billion-year ages:

* The Grand Canyon is Missing Millions of Years of Evidence of Erosion (and deposition) Here, Here, and Here: According to evolutionary geologists, there are MORE THAN 100 MILLION YEARS MISSING in the extraordinarily regular and straight layers of the Grand Canyon! Supposed geological layers entirely missing from the beautifully formed Grand Canyon strata include the Ordovician and the Silurian. The flat boundaries between strata provide hard evidence proving that millions of years of erosion DID NOT OCCUR, and that therefore, those millions of years DID NOT PASS, neither in the canyon nor anywhere on Earth, for they are an atheistic fiction.

* Dinosaur Soft Tissue, Adam & Eve in DNA, 3rd Stage Supernovas Nowhere, Carbon 14 Everywhere: Welcome to RSR's 2012 List of Not So Old Things! Real Science Radio co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old.

* Original Dinosaur Tissue! Preparing for next Friday's show on our annual list of not so old things,  Real Science Friday co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart take time to discuss the growing number of soft-tissue dinosaur discoveries by world-renowned universities and as published in leading scientific journals. For links to sources, and more photos of actually dinosaur tissue, please see next week's program at KGOV.com/list!

Today's Resource: Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown’s In the Beginning and Bob’s interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You’ll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez’ Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media’s Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart’s Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's debate about Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott; and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins!

* "Impossibly Modern" Stars, "Primitive Cells," Hominid Fossils, and Information: Real Science Friday co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart discuss more great news stories from the winter 2012 edition of Creation magazine.

* Post-show Note: Bob and Fred Highly Recommend this New Astronomy DVD! What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy, Volume II: Our Created Star and Galaxies. RSR says:

Spike, you've done it again. We're stunned. We didn't think you could match the powerful message in your first video Our Created Solar System. But Volume II in your series What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy, on Our Created Stars and Galaxies is not only just as powerful, but this new DVD has even higher production value and is even more visually beautiful. May God bring Christians and atheists by the many thousands to enjoy this message from science and Scripture! Congratulations!

-Bob Enyart & Fred Williams

* A Stunning Ability of the Octopus; the Invalid B.C.E. Dating; & Hibernation: Real Science Friday co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart discuss more great news stories from the winter 2012 edition of Creation magazine including:
- the extraordinary ability of the color blind octopus (as shown in the YouTube video below) to turn color almost immediately to camouflage itself

- [Post-show update: An octopus can also mimic objects in its environment, as at right, like a conch shell.]
- the confused effort of the politically correct to do away with the use of B.C. & A.D.
- bears hibernating
- the fast and massive lava flow on the planet Mercury
- tree buyers around the world being unexcited about the supposedly millions-of-years-old Wollemi pine.

* 2020 Update: Having just come across his article at astro.cornell.edu, we thought we'd quote NSF astronomy fellow Dave Rothstein:

"[E]xpanding" isn't really the best word to describe what is happening to the universe... A more accurate word for what the universe is doing might be "stretching".

Similarly, in 2019, NASA wrote that, "The space between galaxies is stretching..." (See more about this at rsr.org/expansion.)

* 2020 Experiment Proposal: Might it be theoretically possible to triangulate the distance from two distant galaxy clusters to an even further galaxy?

* 2017 Update Stretch Cosmology in Two Major Films! Stretch Cosmology was proposed in the Del Tackett-narrated fathom-event film Is Genesis History? (Tackett makes a cameo appearance of sorts in Enyart's Focus on the Strategy II documentary.) And it was presented in the other recent Fathom Event Genesis: Paradise Lost. (See the link below for its trailer to view the the plants sprouting up out of the ground on Day 3, and consider that as an analogy for how God stretched out the heavens on Day 4.) 

* 2013 Update: See this by AiG astronomer Danny Faulkner, A Proposal for a New Solution to the Light Travel Time Problem, in the peer-reviewed Answers Research Journal! Dr. Faulkner mentioned that for the Day 3 creation of plants, God may have supernaturally pulled the plants out of the ground, and that this may be an analogy for how He stretched out the heavens on Day Four, causing the stars to undergo hyper-stellar-nucleosynthesis and actually, though supernaturally, pulling the light from the farthest stars across the universe to the Earth (and perhaps beyond). RSR extends this supernatural stretch cosmology in various particulars including by asking (and answering) why is it that by the end of Day 4 some stars had expended their available energy and others, nearly so, would run out of energy and supernova as observed more recently. And we add the following. 

If the supernatural-to-natural boundary (SN2NB), where the laws of physics take over when God rests from His creative work, occurred earlier or later on Day 4, determines whether or not a physics theory is even theoretically helpful to explain how distant starlight arrived during that 24-hour period on Earth. If God supernaturally created the starting conditions after which the light would then naturally propagate to Earth, the SN2NB, at least conceptually, could have been earlier on Day 4 at which point God could watch the laws of physics take over for the completion of that Day's events. God liked His creation and would sometimes use the laws that He had brought into existence to perform even some of His subsequent miracles. So an "earlier" SN2NB is certainly possible. On the other hand, if God supernaturally performed most of what happened on that day, including the stretching of the light throughout the cosmos by miraculous means, that would put the SN2NB, at least conceptually, later on Day 4 and would make unneeded any physical theory about how that light naturally arrived on Earth. In fact if God's supernatural creative act was the effective means whereby light arrived on Earth, then creationist physical cosmologies themselves, while creative and even possibly ingenius, would each represent a dead end. The creation movement would be stronger if theorists and advocates readily communicated where they see the SN2NB and, if possible, why they see it there.

* The Day Three Analogy:  The Bible states eleven times in five of its books that God stretched out the heavens (Job 9:8; Ps. 104:2; Isa. 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; & Zech. 12:1). Regarding this repeated description, Genesis 1:11 may be literally communicating an aspect of how God created plants, by rapidly and supernaturally pulling them up from the ground. The English word sprout is translated from the Hebrew tad-se, used in Genesis 1 not for the creation of animals but only for plants, and meaning to sprout or to shoot [out]...

Gen. 1:11: "And God said, 'Let the earth sprout vegetation...'"

See an animation of this happening in the first 10 seconds of the trailer for Genesis: Paradise Lost.  The Hebrew word translated "sprout" appears in Scripture only in Genesis 1:11. The word daw-shaw',  considered related, appears in Joel 2:22, the "pastures are springing up..."

* Stretch Cosmology Proposed Solution: Bob Enyart has temporarily removed from this page RSR's own written SC description because he is considering submitting it to one of the creation journals. This program's 2011 audio, however, remains available (via the above audio controls). Check back here in late 2020 for a possible update. Whereas naturalistic star formation has never and cannot occur by the laws of physics, after the "formation" stage, RSR proposes that the correct answer to the starlight and time question will also explain why stars are at every other possible stage in their lifecycles. (Also, if anyone listens to our 2007 rsr.org/horizon-problem program, if you're interested, please feel free to email Bob@rsr.org and let us know if the guys used the "Day 3 analogy" in that program. Thanks!) 

* Stretching the Cosmos, Etc., on Today's 2011 Program: Real Science Radio co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart discuss more great news stories from the Winter 2012 edition of Creation magazine. And the guys reply to a listener who asks why would a star die and collapse if the universe is only thousands of years old. 2013 Update: After a change of name, the guys now refer to this to this proposal, to solve the starlight and time dilemma, as Stretch Cosmology.

* Is God Outside of Time? Google that question and we think you'll find that of hundreds of thousands of related web pages, that RSR's answer and article is ranked by Google as #1 at rsr.org/time. The well-known claim that time slows down as an object approaches the speed of light also entails that at the speed of light time stops. However, if that were true, then a photon traveling through a vacuum could not have its own innate frequency (i.e., color). But it does.

* Anti-evolutionary Eels, Next-generation Band-Aids, Egyptian Blue, Dawkins Color Vision Challenge, Threes, and Black Holes in a Young Universe: The species of eel discovered in the South Pacific shows stasis, the primary expectation of the creationist (and of renowned evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould), rather than evolutionary change, the expectation of the atheist and of theistic evolutionists.

* New Band-Aids Designed Without Glue By Copying the Gecko Toe: It's about time human engineers got around to reverse engineering the adhesiveness of the gecko's feet in order to manufacture a better Band-Aid. The Band-Aid was invented in 1920, making it eleven years older than the Big Bang which was invented in 1931. See the series of enlargements in the gecko feet image to get an idea of how God used form rather than glue to enable geckos to walk on walls.

* CU's Fiske Planetarium's Show on Christ's Birth: The University of Colorado's planetarium presents annually a live program, The Astronomical Star of Bethlehem, by amateur astronomer Gil Buller. From the planetarium's website, "This exciting program examines the sky at the time of the birth of Christ to see which astronomical phenomenon may have been the Star of Bethlehem."

* Orbital Mechanics Help Identify the Star of Bethlehem: Using computer-generated images of the night sky in ancient Israel, this planetarium program does in great style what Bob Enyart's DVD does using more modest computer simulation software. Click to get Bob's classic DVD, The Planets, Stars, and The Bible. Gil Buller joins Bob Enyart in studio for this Christmas week's special episode of Real Science Friday.