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* Nobody Doubts Darwin They Say: Nobody qualified, anyway. Certainly no scientists! This week celebrating Darwin Day the Pew Research Center claimed that evolution, "is accepted by virtually all scientists" and a while back PBS promoted their series, "Evolution" claiming likewise that, "Virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true." Taking that even further, theoretical physicist (emphasis on the theoretical) Lawrence Krauss told RSR that biological science cannot be practiced without a belief in Darwinian evolution and so "all scientists are atheists." And hence, Darwinists. However, he forgot James Tour. And they're all forgetting Fred Williams and Bob Enyart's ever-growing meta-list of highly-educated Darwin doubters including many thousands of Ph.D.s, scientists, and professors! The guys also have reported on the hundreds of astronomers, astrophysicists and cosmologists who doubt the Big Bang. (See below rsr.org/doubters#bb). So welcome to Real Science Radio's List of Scholars Doubting Darwin!

* Except for These Guys: Those who have gone out of their way to declare their doubt about Darwin include the:
- 100 scientists with master's degrees or Ph.D.s listed over at AiG
- 200 Ph.D.s listed at Australia's creation.com
- 300 medical doctors at Physicians & Surgeons for Scientific Integrity
- 500 Ph.D. scientists at the Korean Association of Creation Research
- 600 advanced degreed scientists at the Creation Research Society
- 1,000 scientists who signified their opposition at DissentFromDarwin.org
- 3,000 scientists and professors (most of whom hold a Ph.D. in some field of science) who reject secular Darwinism to varying degrees as named online by Dr. Jerry Bergman (also here)

* Another Scholar Doubting Darwin: A thousand evolutionists have incorrectly referenced Newsweek magazine to claim that 99.86% of scientists affirm Darwinism. (See RSR's original reporting and debunking of that misinformation, below.) In contrast to false reporting, consider that the famed atheist professor Thomas Nagel who wrote Mind and Cosmos: why the materialist neo-Darwinian conception of nature is almost certainly false.

* Add to the those 5,000 Scientists, Ph.D.s. and Scholars: Those who think that almost all educated people affirm Darwin, are forgetting about those listed above, and then these folks, all identified by careful research conducted by pro-Darwin institutions:

- 30,000 U.S. public high school biology teachers do not endorse Darwinism in class
- 100,000 college professors in the U.S. alone who, according to Harvard researchers, agree that "intelligent design IS a serious scientific alternative to the Darwinian theory of evolution."
- 570,000 medical doctors in the U.S., specialists in applied science, say God brought about or directly created humans, as reported by the prestigious Louis Finkelstein Institute. The field of medicine is an actual applied science (see definition and applied science section below) within biology, practiced by highly educated professionals each of whom has earned an advanced degree. Significantly, 60% of U.S. medical doctors reject the secular Darwinist explanation for our existence with three of five docs agreeing that either God initiated and guided the process that led to human life or that God specially created us human beings. The large sample (for a study of medical doctors) of 1,482 MDs were asked in Question 7 (pdf) of the Finkelstein poll if they agreed with:
- "God initiated and guided an evolutionary process that has led to current human beings." 42% agreed.
- "God created humans exactly as they appear now." 18% agreed.

* Of Course There's Overlap: Admittedly the lists above contain some overlap but the orders of magnitude difference in the numbers indicate that the vast majority are not duplicates.

* Another Scholar, Yale University Prof. David Gelernter, Giving Up Darwin: Biology is increasingly understood in terms of information science. So from his relevant field, Yale "rock star" professor of computer science and contributor to parallel computing, David Gelernter, writes in Giving Up Darwin:

To help create a brand new form of organism, a mutation must affect a gene that does its job early and controls the expression of other genes that come into play later on as the organism grows. But mutations to these early-acting "strategic" genes, which create the big body-plan changes required by macro-evolution, seem to be invariably fatal... Evidently there are a total of no examples in the literature of mutations that affect early development and the body plan as a whole and are not fatal.

* The Third Way: Twenty highly-credentialed anti-creationists at The Third Way agree with young-earth creationists on this specific point, that the natural selection mechanism of neo-Darwinism cannot account for the diversity of life. These "Third Way" scientists, who by blind faith believe that their must be a third way other than Creation and Darwinism, include molecular biologists, etc., from institutions like Oxford, the University of Chicago, Tel Aviv University, MIT, University of Vienna, University of Bonn, UCLA, and Princeton.

* Honorable Mention:
- 2.5 Million U.S. scientists and engineers believe in a personal God. This number comes from the 40% who believe in a personal God as reported by the New York Times in 1997 (see below). That percentage had stayed constant over the 80 years since the survey was first carried out in 1917. If that result has stayed consistent again over the past 20 years, then based on our 2016 population of more than 6.2 million scientists and engineers, two and a half million of them believe in God!
- Gravitas. It is observed that "authorities" should not be counted, but weighed. So weigh them. (Not counting the two million just indicated, the two-thirds of a million PhDs, MDs, professors, and advanced degreed scientists listed above who doubt Darwin would weigh more than 100 million pounds. :)
- Consider also the RSR list of the many fathers of the physical sciences, both before and after Darwin, who rejected naturalistic origins, including Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Harvey, Boyle, Huygens, Newton, Linnaeus, Cuvier, Dalton, Faraday, Pasteur, Joule, Kelvin, Lister, and Carver.

* Oxford Biology Professor Rejects Neo-Darwinism: In 2013 a British biology professor, Oxford University's Dr. Denis Noble, argued against Neo-Darwinism in the journal Experimental Physiology. Of great significance, partly because Noble remains a committed evolutionist, nonetheless, he acknowledged, "that all the central assumptions of the Modern Synthesis (often called Neo-Darwinism) have been disproved."

*  Leading Evolutionary Biologist Agrees with Creationist Characterization: A Royal Society 2017 publication, of all places, has support for the central creationist characterization of Darwinism, that natural selection sometimes explains survival of the fitness but never explains the arrival of the fittest. Enter Austrian evolutionary biologist Gerd Müller who wrote that "current evolutionary theory… largely avoids the question of how the complex organizations of organismal structure, physiology, development or behavior—whose variation it describes—actually arise in evolution." Müller also admits what creationists have long observed, something that promoters like Richard Dawkins are blind to, that calls for "a major revision or even a replacement of the standard theory of evolution... cannot be dismissed as a minority view but rather is a widespread feeling among scientists..."

 * Enyart Debate Opponent and Gerd Müller Admissions: Compare Bob Enyart's debate opponent, well-received author and evolutionist James Hannam's assessment with Müller's admission.

"...when it came to familiarity with the arguments, [Enyart] was way ahead of me. On epigenetics, RNA/DNA chemistry, and animal physiology, I was hopelessly outclassed." -British Author and Darwinist James Hannam

"Indeed, a growing number of challenges to the classical model of evolution have emerged over the past few years, such as from evolutionary developmental biology, epigenetics, physiology, genomics, ecology, plasticity research, population genetics, regulatory evolution, network approaches, novelty research, behavioural biology, microbiology and systems biology... None of these contentions are unscientific, all rest firmly on evolutionary principles and all are backed by substantial empirical evidence." -Austrian evolutionary biologist Gerd Müller

* A Majority of the Most Accomplished Nation: In 2013, 62% of Americans say that they believe that God either guided the development of, or specially created, human beings. This means, of course, that the majority of the population of the most technologically and scientifically accomplished reject the central tenet of Darwinism, which is that the diversity of life on Earth is explained by undirected, natural processes.

* Cold, Dead, and Inactive: The laws of physics move objects inexorably toward equilibrium. So Michael Seeds, professor of physics and astronomy and popular textbook author of the 1997 Foundations of Astronomy 6th Edition, wrote, "The Moon is now a cold, dead, geologically inactive world", p. 453. Except that it's not. (Post-show update: The 13th edition published in 2015, on page 492 was still describing the Moon as "geologically inactive".)

* Moon Keeps Pace with Solar System Action: The list below describes the broad range of types of transient lunar phenomena (TLP). Hundreds of events that last for only a short time, especially as compared to the moon's claimed 4.5 billion-year existence! Similarly, a tremendous number of transient events in the solar system (rsr.org/tess) have surprised astronomers because they contradict billions-of-years expectations.

* RSR's List of Transient Lunar Phenomena: All secular astronomers believe the moon to be billions of years old. Therefore they expect it would be "geologically" inert. However still today, as expected by young earthers, the entire solar system sees many transient events and yet TLP surprises the astronomers and cosmologists who are not biblical creationists. For example:
- Explosive Outgassing: NASA reports that though, "lunar volcanism was supposed to have ceased billions of years ago... outgassing... a rapid release of gasses, blowing off surface deposits" may have been happening recently "and may still be happening today". This is not unlike the many magma-less eruptions on Earth that release only volcanic gasses. The related 2006 journal Nature paper, Lunar activity from recent gas release, describes a three-square-mile region on the Moon called "Ina" which presents evidence, including Ina's colors, lack of craters, and sharp edges, of "recent, episodic out-gassing from deep within the Moon."
- Fast Lunar Recession: An "anomalously high" lunar recession rate measured in 2007 of the Moon moving away from the Earth by 1.5 inches per year would amount to an unworkable 24,000 miles per billion years, leading to repeated int'l conferences for this "lunar crisis" and then a desperate "dark matter" lunar recession proposal to try to defend the alleged 4.5 billion year age of the moon.
- A Thousand Annual Moonquakes: The "tectonically active" Moon has "young thrust faults" and about a thousand moonquakes per year quaking at up to magnitude 5 and even 5.5 according to 2019 Nature Geoscience and NASA, meaning it's still shrinking.
- Recent Lunar Volcanism: As reported in 2006, a three-square-mile region called Ina suggests recent volcanism by its colors, lack of craters, and sharp edges (in addition to the hundreds of "relatively young craters with crisp outlines and freshly-excavated crustal material [that hasn't] had time to darken from the effects of solar ions and cosmic rays...").
- Molten Outer Core: In 2011 the Moon's small molten outer core was discovered, yet such lunar heat should have dissipated over the last billions of years.
- Moon Still Radiating Heat: As reported in the 1970s, heat is still flowing out of the Moon contrary to old-age thermal models. See Planetary Geology.
- Unequal Hemisphere Temperatures: The hemispheres of the moon surprise astronomers by radiating heat unequally, with the near side being 30 degrees warmer than the far side, from 280 to 310 degrees below zero, according to 2019 reports at LiveScience and phys.org from China's Chang'e-4 probe that landed on the far side.
- Photographic Evidence of Surface Changes: The most scientifically verifiable observation project, with photos taken every 20 seconds in 2014, confirming centuries of claims of transient phenomena in particular lunar regions.
- Young Craters: Astronomers have identified scores of "relatively young craters with crisp outlines and freshly-excavated crustal material [that hasn't] had time to darken from the effects of solar ions and cosmic rays...".
- Rapid Dust Buildup: As reported in 2013, dust accumulates on the Moon at the rate of a millimeter per thousand years, which is an unworkable rate for the secular model, especially considering its even greater dust buildup expectations in its early solar system.
- Minimal Overall Dust: Assuming a Moon sweeping up space debris for billions of years, NASA feared deep moon dust as documented in their own history of the Apollo missions and by an astronaut who walked on the moon and a lead equipment scientist, both of whom we interviewed here on RSR. So the rapid buildup of dust and the Moon's overall minimal few inches together indicate that the dusting itself must be a recent transient event, as shown in straighforward calculations available at rsr.org/moon#dust.
- New "Enormous" Number of Boulder Tracks: Unlike lunar crater chains (which are astounding in themselves), boulder tracks averaging five meters and as narrow as a single meter in width appear across the Moon's surface. As with the ubiquitous micrometeorites apparently covering every square centimeter of the Moon (see below), millions of years of space dust and impact debris should cover such shallow tracks. Yet the less than 1% of the surface imaged at "high" resolution by the Lunar Orbiter contains scores of such tracks. Now with NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter currently orbiting the moon, "the number of boulder tracks on the lunar surface is ENORMOUS!!!"
- Outgassing of Radon: As reported in 2008, "every lunar orbital mission capable of sampling a large fraction of the Moon’s surface in terms of [Radon] sources has detected episodic emission of this short-lived, radioactive gas", including Japan's Kaguya mission, and see the 1999 observation that radon outgassing may be the source of the moon's tenuous atmosphere and result of tectonic activity.
- Photogenic: Note the 1953 photo of a genuine TLP to the right. :)
- Outgassing of Helium & Oxygen: The AGU's Journal of Geophysical Research reported in 2014 the direct measurement of oxygen and helium in the Moon's exosphere. Oxygen is a highlyy reactive element which readily forms compounds (notably oxides) with almost all other elements, adding additional pressure against claims of great age.
- Still Visible Ubiquitious Micrometeorites: As reported in 1975 and never contradicted, micrometeorites cover "every square centimeter of the lunar surface" in the opinion of the 2012 Shoemaker Distinguished Lunar Scientist Award winner. Yet if they were from the turbulent "early solar system", by now they would have been covered by craters. So their visibility is itself a transient event showing that they were recently deposited.
- Temporary Space Dust Clouds: Gravity tenuously holds major dust clouds in two of the Earth/Moon Lagrange points as reported by the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. These "temporary" clouds were mostly ignored for six decades until 2018. First found in 1956, photographed and publicized in 1961, and then, as reported in Physics Today (and in the LA Times, Feb. 25, 1966) in 1966 amateur astronomers at the Lockheed Employees Recreation Association corroborated the existence of these (debris) dust clouds. RSR asserts that these were overlooked because, like dinosaur soft tissue, etc., they don't fit well in the old-earth paradigm. For if the dust is the debris that is assumed to have filled the early solar system, gravitational disturbance from the Sun should have dissipated these clouds billions of years ago. And by the same uniformitarian assumptions, the inner solar system has become relatively dust-free over the last billions of years, and so there wouldn't be enough dust to populate these clouds faster than they would dissipate. Hence, they are temporary.
- Cambridge in 2014; CMI in 2003: See more TLP in chapter 9, The Inconstant Moon, from Cambridge University Press, The New Moon, and back in 2003 from Dr. Don DeYoung's argument in Creation Ministries International's creationist Technical Journal, Transient lunar pheonomea: a permanent problem for evolutionary models.
- Etc.

* Earth's Own Transient TLP-Related Feature: Earth's atmosphere extends beyond the Moon! NASA reports on a 2019 paper in Journal of Geophysical Research that our exosphere extends beyond the orbit of the Moon. (RSR predicts that simulations would show that Earth's gravity, lunar gravity, and the solar wind would not permit a long lasting geocorona and therefore it's luminescing presence indicates a recent disturbance to Earth's atmosphere.)

* Sunrise, Moonrise, Earthrise, Questions Arise:
- "Are transient events anomalies?"
- "How many anomalies must occur before they are no longer anomalies?"
- "Does the tremendous number of observed short-lived events on the moon and throughout the solar system contradict the expectations of the billions of years paradigm?"

* A Few Lunar Features Known for TLP: 
- Tycho crater
- Aristarchus crater
- Grimaldi crater
- Plato crater (father of geocentrism)
- Copernicus crater
- Kepler crater
- Grimaldi crater (flashes, color patches, hazy visibility, gaseous emissions)
- Mare Crisium (Sea of Crises)
- Etc.
You can expand this list by emailing Bob@rsr.org and include literature references for the locations to add.

* "Spectacularly Preserved" Impact Melt Flow: Yes. Except for the alleged timeframe, 48 million years ago, NASA's 2010 explanation for this flow is undoubtedly accurate: "Spectacularly preserved viscous flow on the NE rim of Byrgius A (19 km diameter) crater. This flow has a form similar to lava flows on Earth, however it formed as a result of an asteroid or comet [RSR: or unconsolidated debris field] slamming into the moon at hyper-velocity (speeds exceeding 16 km/second, or 35,791 mph). So much energy was released in the impact, that solid rock was melted and thrown out of the crater where it flowed down the crater flanks." At the 2010 Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in The Woodlands, Texas, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Cameras' team described Byrgius A as a "very fresh" crater with an age estimate of 48 million years and its "spectacular leveed flow" no longer thought to be volcanic but "now known to have originated by high shock pressures... at the impact site." Yet with the warm, living, and geologically active Moon described in the list of transient lunar phenomena above, should this melt flow be this "spectacularly preserved" after all that time? Rapid dust buildup accumulating on the Moon at the rate of a millimeter per thousand years? That discovery alone makes their 48 million year date unworkable for the flow would be hidden under 48 meters of dust. Further, the entire flow should have completely broken apart by now, considering temperature variation and earthquakes. In its alleged lifetime this flow would have experience more than half a billion hot to cold temperature swings, from days of more than 200 degrees F to nights of less than minus 200 degrees F. Add to that the Moon's measured "earthquake" rate, at over a thousand per year, suggests that this hardened flow, parts of which are "thin veneers... draped on the crater rim", hasn't completely broken apart through billions of moonquakes! Yes, there are a handful of "cracks in the veneer concentric to the crater rim" but these can be attributed to simple gravitational "downslope tension after emplacement." And some "mass wasting of fragmented rim veneer" was caused likely from nearby "small impacts or seismic activity". But for the entire edifice to survive more than 50 billion moonquakes without breaking apart? No wonder the researchers think this (obviously vastly younger) flow has been "spectacularly preserved".

* If You Know any Moon Hoax Folks: Feel free to send them along to rsr.org/moon. They'll find resources there like this...

* Have You Tried RSR's Multiple Creation Site Search? Our listeners are telling us that this Real Science Radio service, a customized multi-creation-site Google search, is AMAZINGLY effective and a fabulous time saver! And, it's a Google search! Only customized to save you time and make you smarter! Let's say you want to learn about the creationist explanation for the origin of comets to expose the secular model's inability to account for their olivine and other earth-like minerals. By using RSR's Multiple Creation Site Search, powered by Google, you'll be simultaneously searching the four largest and most popular creation sites and our own RSR pages! This tool bypasses the confusion and noise of Wikipedia and the Internet generally and let's you search simultaneously (including countless articles written by friends of Real Science Radio) the websites of Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis, the Institute for Creation Research, Dr. Walt Brown's creationscience.com site, and our own RSR resources (at kgov.com, 360dayyear.com and youngearth.com). Enjoy!

Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams begin with six science news headlines including the midwest freeze, Earth's "oldest" rock found on the moon, furthest galaxies twice their previously estimated "impossible" size, plants beneath arctic ice, animals under antarctic ice, and what lies beyond New York and Viriginia's murderous abortion laws. These reports tell us much about the world we live in and where it's come from and where it's all headed.

* "Oldest" Rock: NASA kept secret for almost half-a-century the Apollo 14 discovery of the Earth rock they found on the moon and "date" to be four billion years old. Of course, Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory directly describes how the Moon, especially the near side, was pummeled from the debris ejected by the fountains of the great deep. On the other hand, secular astronomers, along with non-HPT creationists, have a hard time explaining this. To improve the infinitesimal odds of an astronaut picking up an Earth rock (the "oldest", no less), NASA argues that four billion years ago, "the surface of the Moon... was three times closer to Earth than it is now".

So based on their secular model, three of the impossible things NASA thinks about before breakfast are:
- The kind of extraordinarily rare impact that could eject Earth rock into space
- That rock hitting the Moon which, even taking gravity into account, is highly unlikely
- And an astronaut on that enormous moon bending over and picking up just such an Earth rock!
Instead, the fountains of the deep blew out into space meteorites and the debris which formed comets, asteroids, TNOs, and beat up Mercury, Venus, the Moon, and Mars.

* Our Annual Telethon: The guys also announce the launch of the annual February BEL/RSR Telethon and it's vital goal of raising $40,000 so that more and more people can be reached with the creation-based Christian worldview and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Please help by calling 1-800-8Enyart (836-9278) or clicking on over to the store at rsr.org. Thanks so very much!

* Have You Tried RSR's Multiple Creation Site Search? Our listeners are telling us that this Real Science Radio service, a customized multi-creation-site Google search, is AMAZINGLY effective and a fabulous time saver! And, it's a Google search! Only customized to save you time and make you smarter! Let's say you want to learn about the creationist explanation for the origin of comets to expose the secular model's inability to account for their olivine and other earth-like minerals. By using RSR's Multiple Creation Site Search, powered by Google, you'll be simultaneously searching the four largest and most popular creation sites and our own RSR pages! This tool bypasses the confusion and noise of Wikipedia and the Internet generally and let's you search simultaneously (including countless articles written by friends of Real Science Radio) the websites of Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis, the Institute for Creation Research, Dr. Walt Brown's creationscience.com site, and our own RSR resources (at kgov.com, 360dayyear.com and youngearth.com). Enjoy!

Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart continues with a second show discussing the growing field of quantum biology with Brian, an information systems guy with one of the world's major institutions who earned a double-major in both mechanical engineering and physics from Iowa State University. This engineer argues that some of the extraordinary abilities of biological organisms go beyond what seems possible from standard chemistry and physics. Quantum mechanics, astoundingly, enables dogs to detect chemical explosives and cancer in their owner, bears to sniff prey from miles away, and humans to distinguish over one trillion different odors. The startling, often sub-atomic, quantum world of the two-slit experiment and of wave/particle duality, of quantum entanglement, superposition, coherence and quantum tunneling, has disrupted the already wildly complex field of biology. Evidence is mounting that the most bewildering abilities of living organisms come courtesy of the Designer using quantum effects to accomplish what otherwise would seem to be impossible!

Evidence suggests that our sense of smell relies on quantum tunnelling. This is a quantum mechanical phenomenon whereby particles pass through barriers that, based on the physics of our every day experiences, they shouldn't be able to cross. Astonishingly, biological processes apparently exploit quantum mechanics to give God's creatures the widely diverse and amazing sense of smell that we often take for granted.

Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams celebrate the stunning mathematical capabilities, some faster than a supercomputer, of ants and honeybees and slime mold and amoebas. Arguing that such accomplishments in mathematics, a field that is non-physical, could not have originated through physical means, the guys celebrate this evidence for the brilliance of our Creator God and they predict, as of January 18, 2019, that some of these abilities will be found operate using quantum mechanical effects.

Get Tickets! The Moses sequel to Patterns of Evidence hits theaters nationwide March 14, 16, & 19! So RSR urges you to watch the trailer and get tickets early, for yourself and friends, because if it packs theaters like Patterns did, it may sell out at many of the 900 screens where it's showing!

After last week's Part 1, Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart concludes his enjoyable conversation with listener Nathan, who has great questions about creation and evolution. And in case you've missed RSR's flood video...

Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart has an enjoyable conversation with a young listener, Nathan, who has plenty of questions about animals and the claims of evolutionists. The conclusion aired the next week.

"Being too open minded closes your mind to finding truth." -Nathan Walsh

Real Science Radio presents the ability of plants to communicate by wire and wirelessly. Bob Enyart and Fred Willians celebrate the discoveries described by Dr. Jeffrey P. Tomkins, of the Institute of Creation Research, about how plants communicate, and why that ability could not originate without a Designer.

* Boulder, Colorado's Planetarium Show on Christ's Birth: For Christmas Eve, we're enjoying this Real Science Radio rerun about the University of Colorado's Fiske Planetarium presentation of a live program, The Astronomical Star of Bethlehem, by amateur astronomer Gil Buller. From the planetarium's website, "This exciting program examines the sky at the time of the birth of Christ to see which astronomical phenomenon may have been the Star of Bethlehem."

What destroyed the Bronze Age city of Tall el-Hammam? As currently estimated, this happened 3,700 years ago. A popular hypothesis by archaeologist Phillip Silvia (as reported by space.com, sciencenews.com, livescience.com, newsweek.com, forbes.com, universetoday.com, etc.) suggests that a meteoroid's aerial explosion may have destroyed this ancient city just east of the northern shore of the Dead Sea, a possible site for the biblical city of Sodom. Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews Dr. Silvia about his talk at last month's annual meeting of the American Schools of Oriental Research in Denver. Hear about the obliteration of everything above ground in the city, the intense heat, the five-century abandonment of the area despite being the most well watered in the region, and the Dead Sea salts that were blasted up onto and over the outskirts of the city. The following image is not Photoshopped...

* Also from Real Science Radio: from rsr.org/archaeology see...
- rsr.org/camels
- rsr.org/exodus
- rsr.org/pharaoh
- rsr.org/jericho
- rsr.org/flood
- rsr.org/sodom (this program)
- rsr.org/sodom-collins (2020)
- Patterns of Evidence
- and from Amazon, Dr. Silvia's book The Destruction of Sodom.