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Vapor Canopy and the Hydroplate Theory (Albright's Flood Models Controversy Series)

* Interview-Based Review of Flood Models: (Updated 8/8/21) Jane Albright interviewed 16 creation scientists and leaders for this project. Another 17 declined to be interviewed. Now, Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart interviews Albright, a working professional engineer formerly with the U.S. Navy nuclear engineering program, on her resulting articles about the most prominent flood models.
- The Vapor Canopy Theory (VCT, built on a secular theory and now rejected by the leading creation groups)
- The Hydroplate Theory (HPT, built on the floodwaters coming from just beneath the crust)
- Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (CPT, built on the secular PT model and affirmed by the leading creation groups)

Help Bob Identify Scientists & Engineers Supporting HPT: Please email Bob@rsr.org if you are a scientist or an engineer (or you can tell us of one) supporting Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory!

* Enjoy Jane Albright's Series: Right here on RSR...
- albright-flood-series-1-VCT.pdf (see its visibility problem, below)
- albright-flood-series-2-HPT.pdf
- albright-flood-series-3-CPT.pdf
- albright-flood-series-4-controversy.pdf

* RSR's Albright Broadcast Series: Bob and Jane discuss her article series on these three programs:
- Pt. 1: The Vapor Canopy and the Hydroplate Theory (this program, discussing Albright's first two articles)
- Pt. 2: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (discussing Albright's 3rd article)
- Pt. 3: The Controversy over VCT, CPT, & the HPT (discussing Albright's 4th article)

Baseball graphic morphed into an image of the mid-oceanic ridge on the globe* Flood Waters Continued Rising from Day 41 to Day 150: The waters for the flood came not from the atmosphere or above it but from "the fountains of the great deep". This explains how the floodwaters could continue to rise for another 110 days after the rain stopped at the end of the fortieth day. Genesis explains that the fountains that flooded the entire earth broke forth within hours. Physics explains why this occurred so rapidly and where this occurred. The crustal crack of the fountains wrapped around the world like the seam on a baseball. Such an event would leave a scar. And of course, the scar from that crack is the globe-encircling 40,000-mile long crack called the mid-oceanic ridge. Essentially, the MOR was formed by the crack below the crack that resulted when the weight of the overlying crust was removed, eroded and carried away with the escaping floodwaters. As with isostatic rebound, pressure from gravity forced the mantle beneath the crack to catastrophically bend upward creating a tension crack (not unlike the Grand Canyon's inner gorge and Marble Canyon). See this explained by mechanical engineer Bryan Nickel from 1:10:40 to 1:22:00 of his HPT overview video...

Rob Yardley, Tim Clarey, and other creation leaders...* How the Canopy Got Walt Brown Sideways with the Movement: Dr. Henry Morris, Virginia Tech hydraulics professor, founded the creation movement and promoted the vapor canopy theory which had been adopted by the major organizations. At 17 minutes into RSR's global flood video see how Dr. Morris introduced Walt Brown to his readers. And at 26:30 you can hear Rob Yardley, a friend of both men (and board member of J. Vernon McGee's Thru the Bible Radio Network) agree that Dr. Brown "took one for the team" by helping the creation movement see the error in its beloved vapor canopy theory. Also, at 18:50 see Dr. Morris himself indirectly cite Walt's opposition to the canopy theory, his "geophysical causes... of the Flood", as a reason for "problems". Over the decades though the creation movement followed Walt's lead and abandoned the canopy theory and its scientific misdirection. But as the messenger, Walt paid the price and once relationships sour they're difficult to mend. However, remember that through all the tension between the Apostles, at the end Peter honored Paul (2 Pet. 3:15-16). Likewise, at a high-profile moment at the end of his carrer, as you can see him doing at 31:30 in our video, Dr. Morris honors Dr. Walt Brown (or just click play...)

* ICR's Dr. John Morris on the Canopy: Hear also at 24:32 Dr. Morris regarding, "a huge canopy that covered the globe... we don't have the evidence, and the evidence we do have doesn't allow the canopy. If there were such a canopy, it would cause such a heat problem on the surface that it would be boiling temperature. Nothing could survive such a canopy. That's the problem... The more scientists have looked at that canopy theory, there are almost no creation scientists anymore who have studied it, who still hold to that traditional view of the canopy that was presented in [my father's book] The Genesis Flood... The Scripture doesn't say it. And the geological evidence doesn't support it."

* On Bob's 2018 Bible Tour of Italy: When in Rome Do Romans... 

Bob & Cheryl Enyart in Italy with Jane Albright and our friend Abraham
Bob & Cheryl in Italy with Jane, left, and our friend Abraham

* RSR Flood Model Resources including Shared Google Spreadsheets:
- Bible Material Uniquely Supporting Various Flood Models
- Physical Features Requiring Explanation and Flood Models 
- HPT Confirmed Predictions here at rsr.org/predictions#walt-brown 
- All of Real Science Radio's HPT resources collected over at rsr.org/global-flood.

* Higher Oxygen Levels, Greater Air Pressure, the Vapor Canopy, and HPT: A major argument for the vapor canopy has been the evidence that the pre-flood Earth had greater atmospheric pressure and a higher oxygen content. Whereas the VCT has been rejected by the major groups that promoted it, the Hydroplate Theory itself can explain why atmospheric pressure dropped. The HPT's eruption of the fountains ejected into space a significant percentage of the preflood atmosphere, immediately lowering atmospheric pressure. So the first HPT factor was that some of the air that stood immediately above the globe-encircling crack was carried into space by the erupting fountains. The second HPT factor is an effect that operates even today, gravitationally keeping atmospheric pressure lower as compared to the antediluvian world. The debris ejected from the Earth impacted the Moon (mostly the near side), Mercury, Venus, Mars, etc. and comprises the solar system's meteorites, asteroids, comets, irregular moons, and trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs). The loss of all this water and debris reduced by a few percent the mass of the Earth. Less mass means less gravity and that means that the atmosphere is not pulled down as tightly to the surface as before the flood. Therefore less atmospheric oxygen is held within Earth's narrow biosphere, with a higher percent of our atmosphere's oxygen at a higher elevation and so out of reach of our flora and fauna.

Chart showing exponential decay of lifespan after the Flood* Decrease in Human (and other) Lifespans: Another major argument for the vapor canopy has been the longer lifespans of the antediluvians, of people and of other organisms. Hydroplate Theory events may explain even better than the Canopy Theory why people, plants, animals, and insects may not live as long today as they did prior to the flood. Since the flood the Earth's crust has been loaded with radioactive (unstable) elements. Radioactive decay is dangerous to biological organisms for it not only harms the individual but degrades the functionality of the overall genome of an entire species. Today, multiple mutations occur with every single cell division, trillions of times over within, for example, a human body. See rsr.org/radioactivity and rsr.org/uranium for an introduction to the Hydroplate Theory's explanation for the origin of Earth's radioactivity. If the reduction of atmospheric pressure and reduced oxygen content were the primary reason for decreased health and lifespan, the consequences might have been seen in a more immediate drop (to current levels). Instead, charting the reduced lifespans shows an exponential decay over a few centuries which seems to fit better with the gradual deterioration of the genome that took the edge off the extraordinary precision biology that had continued to function in the post-Fall world. (See rsr.org/genetic-entropy, rsr.org/evidence#abrahams-marriage, and consider that relatively great longevity persisted till the flood even without the help of the leaves and fruit of the Tree of Life). So rather than a decrease in atmospheric pressure, the flood's origin of Earth's radioactivity explains better mankind's decreasing biological lifespan.

* Vapor Canopy Theory Visibility Problem: Every gas, at a given pressure and temperature, has an "optical depth" which measures how far or how much light can pass into a gas at a given pressure and temperature. Moses wrote in Genesis that God put, "lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth." So at night, star light had to pass through Earth's entire atmosphere. Yet consider how much water a vapor canopy would need to hold to allow it contribute a significant amount to the flooding of the entire Earth. Claiming that much water could be suspended in such a canopy is to claim almost infinite optical depth for water vapor. However, the thicker and denser the gas, the smaller its optical depth, that is, the less light can pass through it. A gas would have to be completely transparent to have infinite optical depth, and that's simply not the case for water vapor, or for any gas.

* Vapor Canopy Theory Heat Problem: In 1874 Isaac Newton Vail, who believed the Bible to be mythological, introduced the canopy theory and early supporters included Jehovah Witness founder Charles T. Russell. By 1984, the creation movement was considering a version of the model that held enough water to produce 40 feet of rain on the Earth. Yet after the early modern creationists had widely popularized the canopy, taken as a group, they later dropped this idea, primarily after Dr. Walt Brown publicized the biblical and physical evidence against it. The Bible mentions first the "fountains of the great deep" (some of which fell down as rain) yet after the first 40 days, the waters continued to rise on the Earth for another 110 days until they covered the mountains. This shows that indeed the primary source for the floodwaters came from below. Also, U.S. Air Force atmospheric simulation software confirmed what Dr. Brown had warned was obvious, that such a canopy would turn the Earth into an impossibly hot terrarium, even with only enough vapor to fall as just two inches of rain. Thus decades later, as above, Dr. Morris can state, "If there were such a canopy, it would cause such a heat problem on the surface that it would be boiling temperature. Nothing could survive... there are almost no creation scientists anymore who have studied it, who still hold to that traditional view of the canopy... The Scripture doesn't say it. And the geological evidence doesn't support it." The early creationists though were claiming, against physics and without need, a vapor canopy that would be nearly infinitely transparent. All material attenuates light to some degree. Matter (atoms and molecules) scatter, absorb, and reflect light. No material is perfectly transparent. And that should be obvious to everyone.

* Today's Resource: For online resources, go to rsr.org/flood. But to order RSR's #1 best-selling video, just click...

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The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
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Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

DVD Vol. 1
1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

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3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

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Hey Brian Thomas, "Why Is Carbon 14 everywhere it shouldn't be?"

* Hey Brian: Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews in studio fossil expert Brian Thomas. Even though radiocarbon only lasts thousands of years, and not millions, Carbon 14 is found everywhere it shouldn't be! About the extraordinary persistence of 14c in marble, coal, oil, natural gas, dinosaur bones, and diamonds, Bob asks this Institute for Creation Research fossil expert about possible contamination as compared to endogenous 14c. The discussion is fascinating!

* Please Support ICR: To help the biblical creation movement continue to grow, please consider purchasing some of their fabulous resources for yourself and to give as gifts to others! You can do this at store.icr.org!

* Another RSR Prediction: On today's program, Bob Enyart and Brian Thomas predict that chert, even though it is often dated at more than a billion years old, will contain short-lived Carbon 14!

* Learn About Carbon 13 in Fossil Bones: If you love science and learning about fossils, you'll just love what Brian Thomas explains to us about the various Carbon isotopes in fossils, and the ratio of Carbon 12 and Carbon 13, and what that tells us about the diet of a dinosaur (or other creatures) and whether or not these Carbon isotopes reveal contamination, or a lack of contamination, in fossils that also include endogenous biological material

* RSR HIGHLY Recommends this Special CRSQ Edition: Long-time RSR listeners may recall Bob Enyart's paper published in the peer-reviewed journal, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Dobzhansy: 40 Years Later Nothing Makes Sense. Now, see the highly recommended iDINO Project Special Report that includes a fabulous radiocarbon paper by Vance Nelson and Brian Thomas! You can click to view the abstracts but RSR highly recommends purchasing this important and historic issue, which you can find also at tiny.cc/crsq-dino-soft-tissue-ed.

* Compound Interest: (post-show note) "If you're interested in economics, or you just want to understand your own finances, you just might love this book fascinating little book, Compound Interest, by Will Duffy." - Bob Enyart

* Post-show Statement: Bob Enyart and his guest Brian Thomas join the world grieving over the murder of scores of innocent people in Nice, France. Today's program, incidentally, was recorded before yesterday's horrific crime occurred.

Brian Thomas: Two Bird Wings in Amber Means...

* Technical Note: An initial glitch with today's program has been fixed. We apologize for the inconvenience.

* Post-show Statement: Bob Enyart and his guest Brian Thomas join the nation and much of the world grieving over the murder of five police officers in Brian's city of Dallas, Texas. Today's program, incidentally, was recorded just before this horrific crime occurred.

* Bird Wings in Amber: Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews in studio fossil expert Brian Thomas on the two bird wings that have been found in two pieces of amber. Thomas, from the Dallas-based Institute for Creation Research, presents the various ways that these preserved specimens falsify the alleged 100-million-year age of these fossils. And Bob invites those in the Denver area to join him this evening at 7 p.m. to hear Brian speak to the Rocky Mountain Creation Fellowship at 5900 E. Yale Ave about the widespread discovery of original biological tissue that has survived within dinosaur bones for the thousands of years since so many of those creatures were destroyed in the global flood of Noah's day.

Molecular Biologist Kevin Anderson on iDino and Target Antibodies

By popular demand (actually, Doug McBurney said that he loved the first show we did a couple weeks ago), Dr. Kevin Anderson is back with Bob Enyart on Real Science Radio!

Bob Enyart interviews molecular biologist and dinosaur researcher Dr. Kevin Anderson, director of the Van Andel Research Center in Chino Valley, Arizona about the iDino Project he is running for the Creation Research Society. Kevin is one of the history-making scientists who have published in prestigious scientific journals their discoveries of dinosaur soft tissue! See also Kevin's work at rsr.org/triceratops and get his book, Echoes of the Jurassic, online at the CRS Bookstore! Finally, Bob asked Kevin, as a molecular biologist, about one of RSR's latest favorite topics, the targeted antibodies cancer treatment revolution!

* RSR HIGHLY Recommends this Special CRSQ Edition: Long-time RSR listeners may recall Bob Enyart's paper published in the peer-reviewed journal, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Dobzhansy: 40 Years Later Nothing Makes Sense. Now, see the highly recommended iDINO Project Special Report from CRSQ! You can click to view the abstracts but RSR highly recommends purchasing this important and historic issue, which you can find also at tiny.cc/crsq-dino-soft-tissue-ed.

* Compound Interest: (post-show note) "If you're interested in economics, or you just want to understand your own finances, you just might love this book fascinating little book, Compound Interest, by Will Duffy." - Bob Enyart

West Virginia's Best-Known Enemy of Evolution on RSR

1980 Eyed Hawk-moth (Smerinthus ocellata)* INSECTMAN: Some years ago a respected math teacher in West Virginia got the attention of the infamous evolutionist Richard Dawkins over in England. The Charleston Gazette wrote about the proposal of local math teacher Karl Priest, whom they referred to as "West Virginia’s best-known enemy of evolution." After hooking Dawkins but then losing him on the reel in, Mr. Priest now joins Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart to talk about insects (as curator of insectman.us, this is one of Karl's favorite topics). The guys explore just a few of the countless ways that insects disprove Darwin's theory of evolution!

Eyed Hawk-moth: Bob Enyart just took the moth photo above and asked the Insectman to identify it. Mr. Priest replied that it is a member of the species Smerinthus ocellata, part of the family of insects known as the eyed hawk-moths.

The Legendary Creationist Dave Nutting on RSR!

* Dave Nutting Finally on RSR: It's been a long time coming but finally Real Science Radio gets to interview in studio the last of a triad of young-earth leaders! A few years back Dr. Henry Morris, the father of the modern creation movement, in a "passing the torch" California conference with Duane Gish, Chuck Smith, and Timothy LaHaye, listed three examples of the fabulous growth of the biblical creation movement: Ken Ham, Walt Brown, and Dave and Mary Jo Nutting. Ken Ham, of Kentucky, and Walt Brown, of Arizona, had both previously been in studio with us here in Colorado. But even though the Nutting's Alpha Omega Institute is headquartered on the western slope in Grand Junction, right here in our state, it took until after our 25th broadcasting anniversary to finally get geologist Dave Nutting in studio. What an honor!

* Rock & River Adventure: Three of the sons of RSR co-host Bob Enyart have enjoyed the AOI's six-day Rock & River Adventure spending days whitewater rafting on the Arkansas River in the heart of the Colorado Rockies, and then camping, rock climbing, and hiking. The next adventure begins on Monday, July 4th and if you and/or your children go along, you will not only enjoy God's creation in one of the most wonderful outdoor locations in the world, but around the campfire you will also learn apologetics and how to answer the famous atheists and evolutionists who deny the existence of the Creator God of the Bible! (And if you or your teenager can go, you'll be joining one of the Enyart boys on this July 2016 adventure.) To get information on the Rock & River Adventure, or AOI's September tour to Yellowstone National Park, the July Family Camp in Buenva Vista, Colorado, and other great adventures, please check out their website discovercreation.org or better yet just call 970-523-9943.

* Check Out Dave's Second RSR Interview: from Nov. 11th, the day he spoke in Denver at the Rocky Mountain Creation Fellowship...
 

RSR on Facebook Bias, the Gorilla, and the Cancer Care Revolution

The latest Facebook bias case against conservatives hits close to home, in fact, REAL close to home as the REAL SCIENCE RADIO hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams explain why the liberal social media firm shut down Bob Enyart's personal page. See the details just below. The guys then discuss,  from the perspective of biblical creation, the case of the gorilla and the baby. And finally, for some reason not obvious to RSR, it seems that our weekly radio program is about the only place to go to for reporting on mankind being at the dawn of the targeted antibodies revolution in cancer treatment!

* More Facebook Anti-Conservative Christian Bias? Facebook's bias against conservatives continues. Now, Facebook is rejecting Pastor Bob Enyart's State of Colorado driver's license as a valid form of identification. After Facebook erroneously took down conservative Christian Enyart's personal FB page using the excuse that he was not Bob Enyart and that he was someone impersonating Bob Enyart, Bob appealed that decision. Facebook responded saying that Bob could show that he really was Bob Enyart by scanning and emailing to them a government-issued photo ID. See below Bob's driver's license that he sent to Facebook, and a FB representative, "Rice", responded that Enyart's Colorado Driver's License does not meet their standard as government issued identification. Right. Because. Enyart. Is. A. Conservative.

* See Facebook Refusing Conservative Pastor's Driver's License as a Valid Form of ID: Bob had not blanked out, as below, his photo and details on the repeated emails to Facebook of his Colorado Drivers License...

 




  

Kevin Anderson, Dino Soft Tissue Hunter & Molecular Biologist on RSR

Bob Enyart interviews molecular biologist and dinosaur researcher Dr. Kevin Anderson, director of the Van Andel Research Center in Chino Valley, Arizona. Dr. Anderson is speaking in Denver Friday June 10th, 2016 at 7 p.m. at 5900 E. Yale Avenue in Denver at the Rocky Mountain Creation Fellowship about the iDino Project he is running for the Creation Research Society. Kevin is one of the history-making scientists who have published in prestigious scientific journals their discoveries of dinosaur soft tissue! See also Kevin's work at rsr.org/triceratops and get his book, Echoes of the Jurassic, online at the CRS Bookstore! Finally, Bob asked Kevin, as a molecular biologist, about one of RSR's latest favorite topics, the targeted antibodies cancer treatment revolution!

* RSR HIGHLY Recommends this Special CRSQ Edition: Long-time RSR listeners may recall Bob Enyart's paper published in the peer-reviewed journal, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Dobzhansy: 40 Years Later Nothing Makes Sense. Now, see the highly recommended iDINO Project Special Report from CRSQ! You can click to view the abstracts but RSR highly recommends purchasing this important and historic issue, which you can find also at tiny.cc/crsq-dino-soft-tissue-ed.

* Compound Interest: (post-show note) "If you're interested in economics, or you just want to understand your own finances, you just might love this book fascinating little book, Compound Interest, by Will Duffy." - Bob Enyart


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The Multiverse is a Yardstick to Measure the Strength of the Fine-Tuning Argument

* What is the Multiverse? Real Science Radio co-host Fred Williams passes along a question from a listener to Bob Enyart, "What's the Multiverse?" Bob answers, "The multiverse is a yardstick used to measure the strength of the fine tuning argument for God." But then, "Why do so many atheists support the multiverse?" Answer: "The degree of acceptance of the multiverse measures the desperation of atheists."

* Another Transient Event: Oxygen on Comet 67P: Bob and Fred also report on all the oxygen outgassing from comet 67P, to the dismay of atheists. Prof. Kathrin Altwegg is the project leader for the instrument which which measured the comet releasing oxygen over the course of seven months, the ROSINA mass spectrometer. It is because of well-known basic chemistry that Dr. Altwegg had to awkwardly admit, “We had never thought that oxygen could 'survive' for billions of years without combining with other substances." Yet even though oxygen is highly reactive, there it is, allegedly after billions of years, constituting much of the comet’s atmosphere along with water vapor, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and other gases. Of course though plentiful oxygen in comets is consistent with a young earth and an accurate understanding of origins, including as we reported at rsr.org/origin-of-coments. And while you need a (very worthwhile) subscription to creation.com/magazine to read his article, we also recommend Dr. Jonathan Sarfati's Oxygen in comet atmosphere undermines billions of years.

* NASA's Bait-and-Switch on Water and Life: Today's program includes a brief audio clip from RSR's upcoming Evidence Against the Big Bang video. This audio documents NASA's typical bait-and-switch when they state the obvious, and something that everyone knows, that: Water is NEEDED TO MAINTAIN life. Then they switch that out for a claim that runs contrary to everything known about chemistry, when by a slight-of-hand they claim that water would be a BENEFIT to the ORIGIN OF LIFE from matter. In reality, water is the universal solvent, and would relentlessly dissolve amino acids, any polymers, etc.

* Marijuana Mutates DNA and Harms One's Descendants: The guys discuss the latest horrific study on marijuana which strengthens a 2009 study confirming that smoking pot does in fact cause mutations, including heritable mutations that harm one's own children and grandchildren. See this and so much more at rsr.org/pot aka RSR's List of the Negative Effects of Marijuana

* Updated Show Summary for Last Week's Frank Turek Interview: Finally, Bob and Fred mention last week's interview with Apologist Frank Turek. That show summary has been updated including with the promised list of the few but important matters that RSR disagrees with Dr. Turek on. You can find this at rsr.org/turek.

Apologist Frank Turek on Real Science Radio

* Bob Enyart and Frank Turek Talk Apologetics: RSR co-host Bob Enyart interviews famed apologist and Christopher Hitchens debate opponent, Frank Turek on his observation: It’s not that the argument for atheism fails but rather, if atheism were true, every argument fails. Bob highly recommends Dr. Turek’s book, Stealing from God (whether in print, digital, or audiobook format). The two discuss the law of causality, immaterial reality including the laws of logic, irrationality including theoretical physicist (emphasis on the theoretical) Lawrence Krauss, and the atheists’ own admitted problem of evil in that mutation and natural selection seem incapable of producing the intensity of human rage expressed by millions of people. [You can also hear Bob's related discussion with an atheist at rsr.org/problem-of-evil.]

* When the Cat's Away... Two #1 Google Rankings! After Frank leaves the program, Bob continues to discuss this powerful apologist and his great book. But Bob also highlights two areas of disagreement with Dr. Turek: timelessness and the Big Bang. Bob Enyart has earned #1 Google rankings for the following search terms...
- is God outside of time 
- big bang predictions
If you search for those terms, you'll find that Google has ranked us #1 out of millions of other related pages for kgov.com/time and kgov.com/bbp. This, of course, doesn't mean that we're correct and that Dr. Turek is incorrect. But what a #1 ranking typically indicates is that such a page is the best available presentation of that topic from its perspective. And if that is true in these cases, and if Dr. Turek has not defended his support for timelessness and the big bang in light of our arguments, that means that Dr. Turek has not yet defended his views against the best available counter arguments. For example: 


* Frank Turek and the Big Bang: Dr. Turek rightly rejects the materialist explanation for the diversity of life of Earth, i.e., Darwinism, and he also rightly rejects the Christianized version of that theory, theistic evolution. However, unfortunately, Frank accepts the big bang theory (utterly falsified in the above video). And worse, he uses the big bang as evidence for God, via a Christianized version of that materialist explanation for the development of the universe. If you take the time to review our rebuttals to these claims (time & bb) of Dr. Turek, please send along your thoughts to Bob@rsr.org.

* Solving the Full Euthyphro's Dilemma: In their brief comments, the guys agreed on this topic. But you might want to see our Euthyphro article which goes beyond the typical apologist's response and answers not just the argument as thrown at us by atheists. We go further to answer the deeper included question of: How can God Himself know that He is good? (Hint: A unitarian deity like Allah, if he existed, would have a way of determining for certain that he were evil, if he were; but he could not determine for certain whether he were good.) Thinkers like Dr. Jonathan Sarfati and Dr. John Lennox have noticed our article, which you can read at rsr.org/euthyphros-dilemma.

* By the Way, Our Two James White YouTube Videos: are at 5,000 and 30,000 views. This first 2-minute video of excerpts presents The Shocking White/Enyart Debate Aftermath. In the aftermath, and for the reason explained just below, R.C. Sproul Jr. and Dr. James White both startlingly deny that God the Son took upon Himself a human nature.
- Sproul: "God the Son does not now nor has He ever had two natures."
- White: "God the Son does not have two natures. I did not 'admit' that He did/does/will etc."
These men are currently denying this central doctrine of Christianity (hopefully only temporarily, and hopefully, they will simply retract their shocking comments) because they are trying to defend the claim from Plato that God is utterly timeless (thus without sequence) and that He is utterly immutable (incapable of any change whatsoever). Please pray for these men who clearly love the Lord but who are subordinating the biblical Incarnate Son of God to an extreme Platonic utter immutability. See also:
kgov.com/holland for our interview with Liberty University associate professor of apologetics and theology Dr. Richard Holland on his research demonstrating, including with stunning examples, that for 1500 years, leading Christian theologians arguing for atemporality and utter immutability have NEVER ONCE defended those doctrines in light of the Incarnation. (Thus it is not surprising that James White and R.C. Sproul Jr. would have such a difficult time here, because they are attempting to wade into uncharted theological territory.)
- the full Enyart/White debate just below and at youtu.be/isRksh30ZUI,
- kgov.com/james-white for analysis and the complete aftermath.

 

To summarize James White's heretical position, while he very readily admits that Jesus has a divine and a human nature, he refuses to acknowledge the same of God the Son, that He has a divine and a human nature. God the Son and Jesus Christ are the same Person. White's refusal to acknowledge that God the Son has a human nature is a form of the Nestorian heresy, which even Sproul's own father has warned Christians about. It is almost as though, to defend the unbiblical teachings of utter immutability and atemporality, these men feel themselves pushed into a direction of broaching the horrifically false idea of Jesus as a fourth person of the Trinity. As made manifestly evident by Scripture, by Liberty University's Dr. Richard Holland in his book, God, Time, and the Incarnation, there are not two persons of Jesus and God the Son, but rather, the one Person of the Son who became Incarnate as Jesus Christ. Another way of spotting this error is to realize that James White is claiming that Jesus the Man became Man, but that God the Son did not become Man. And to paraphrase John Lennox, So it turns out that heresy is heresy.