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Welcome to Real Science Radio: Co-hosts Fred Williams and Doug McBurney talk about science to debunk evolution and to show the evidence for the creator God including from biology, genetics, geology, history, paleontology, archaeology, astronomy, philosophy, cosmology, math, and physics. (For example, mutations will give you bad legs long before you'd get good wings.) We get to debate Darwinists and atheists like Lawrence Krauss, AronRa, and Eugenie Scott. We easily take potshots from popular evolutionists like PZ Myers, Phil Plait, and Jerry Coyne. The RSR Archive contains our popular List Shows! And we interview the outstanding scientists who dare to challenge today's accepted creed that nothing created everything.

RSR airs every Friday at 3pm MST on AM 670 KLTT in Denver, Colorado. For rebroadcast times and podcast platforms, see our Affiliates page.

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RSR: Bristlecone Tree Rings and a Young Earth

Evidence for multiple ring growth per year* Bristlecone Pine Tree Rings: do NOT provide evidence as claimed by evolutionists of an age for the Earth greater than the Bible's record. The refereed scientific Journal of Creation presents the overwhelming evidence that these trees growing in the arid White Mountains of California, one of the driest places on earth, grow multiple rings per year. Thus once again scientifically careful research, this time in dendrochronology, is consistent with biblical chronology!

See also RSR's The Origin of Trees!

* The Hobbit: Journal of Creation lists strong evidence that the pygmy-like skeleton from Indonesia is not a monkey but from a human being. For example, Robert Eckhardt, a professor of development genetics at Penn State, reports 140 cranial features that place the Hobbit "within modern human ranges of variation, resembling Australomelanesian [human] populations."

RSR: Big Bang Shadow Test, 30-Minute Split & Lucy

* The Big Bang Fails Its Shadow Test: As reported in Science Daily, University of Alabama at Huntsville scientist Dr. Richard Lieu concludes, "Either... the Big Bang is blown away or ... there is something else going on'." The Astrophysical Journal reported on a "vital test of the present cosmological paradigm" i.e., the big bang, that "taken at face value, one may even hold the opinion that there is in fact no strong evidence" for the long-predicted shadow of the CMB from behind 31 nearby galaxy clusters, "beyond the usual primary CMB... variations". As with dozens of some of the most careful and extensive observations ever made in the history of science, the missing shadow is yet another failure, not of an incidental off-the-cuff prediction but of a fundamental requirement of the big bang. As Dr. Lieu put it, "These shadows are a well-known thing that has been predicted for years. If you see a shadow… it means the radiation comes from behind the cluster. If you don’t see a shadow, then you have something of a problem."

* Update: See the Royal Astronomical Society's follow-up corroboration in context at, and hear RSR's 2014 discussion with one of the world's more successful physicists at, that this hard data implies that the CMB may have a foreground source.

* Fred Williams: Fred is the webmaster for the Creation Research Society and co-host of Bob Enyart's Real Science Radio program. Fred describes articles in the 2006 Journal of Creation, a prestigious peer-reviewed science journal from Australia's (later, just Listen or see below for the huge Yellowstone mountain that broke apart, not over millions of years, but in only 30 minutes, and for the newly publicized Australopithecus baby ape that undermines the claims for Lucy.

RSR: The Walt Brown Effect: Q&A

* Jonathan from Thornton, CO: On Day Two, God made the firmament to divide the waters below from the waters above, and that firmament [search for "two pastors"] was not the atmosphere, but the crust of the Earth!

* Pat from Aurora, CO: Like in Walt Brown's catastrophism, today's geologists will admit to the massive Heart Mountain in Wyoming breaking apart in just "30 minutes!" The Heart Mountain Detachment in Yellowstone country originally consisted of carbonate rock at least 1650 feet thick that "covered an area of 1100 square kilometers [that] broke up into at least 50 large fragments and spread over an area greater than 3,500 square kilometers." And this, NOT over millions of years, but rapidly.

* Johnny from TOL: Calling from Tampa Bay, Florida, this evolutionist member of argues with Bob that "evolution is not about an increase in information." Bob argues that the typical claim that evolution is evidenced by harmful mutations, disease, and a loss of information, is merely obfuscation, since both sides of the debate admit that degeneration occurs (things break down). And so, molecules-to-man Darwinists must prove an information explosion (supposedly from protozoan to human), which is not accomplished by their endlessly pointing to genetic loss and disease.
* UPDATE Hypothalmus: Bob updated today's program to accept Johnny's claim that the hypothalmus was never claimed to be vestigial. However, while Wikipedia is not authoritative, it is often reliable; and the history section of the WP article on vestigial organs includes the example of the Hypothalmus as a gland which was once claimed as lacking in functionality sufficiently to be evidence that it is an evolutionary left over.
* UPDATE Information: One of the world's leading evolutionary microbiologists, Franklin Harold, admits in 2001 that, "We must concede there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolutio of any biochemical or ceullar system, only a variety of whishful speculations."

RSR: Walt on Where the Water Went

* RSR Co-host Bob Enyart Interviews Walt Brown: on where all the water of the global flood went?

A graphic of the globe with all of its water shown as a to-scale sphere over North America* The Atlantic Floor Rose: As the fountains of the great deep broke forth and eroded away the volume of what today is the Atlantic Ocean, the subterranean chamber floor rose to become the Atlantic floor. The slab of the Earth that would become the Americas broke off of the Earth's hydroplate, and began sliding to the west, lubricated by subterranean waters. Europe, Asia, and Africa began sliding to the east.

* Mountains Parallel the Mid-Atlantic Ridge: As the continents slid away from the rising mid-Atlantic ridge, water continued to burst from the subterranean chamber, and eventually, friction stopped the 50-mph slides, causing the continents to thicken and buckle, and rise up high out of the flood waters. In only hours, most of the world's mountain ranges formed, and they tend to run north to south, generally parallel to the mid-Atlantic ridge.

RSR: Walt Brown on the Grand Canyon

Grand Canyon missing Ordovician and Silurian2018 UPDATE: Bryan Nickel joins Bob Enyart for our June is Grand Canyon Month at RSR to discuss the Hydroplate Theory explanation for the origin of the Grand Canyon! Just go to or the permalink at

* Two Lakes Breached: Grand Lake and Hopi Lakes, lifted high by the Colorado Plateau, breached their natural dams, and emptied out removing 2,000 cubic miles of sediment from above the Grand Canyon, and then carved out the 800 cubic miles of the canyon itself. (For the greater geologic context of how this happened, see

* Ten Years Later Update on the Flat Gaps: Notice that the layers of the Grand Canyon, revealing buried strata like nowhere else on Earth, show that the sedimentary layers have characteristically flat, horizontal, and parallel boundaries, Laminated wood is a good analog for the flat-gap boundaries between the strata of the southwest region of the U.S., and indeed, of much of the world.not unlike laminated wood. If the secular model were correct, and this mile deep stacking of sediments were laid down over hundreds of millions of years, then erosion, which is constant and relentless, would guarantee that there would be no such parallel uniformity to the boundaries of these layers. The vast majority of the Earth's sedimentary layers were laid down rapidly. Their minerals were agitated into their varying degrees of characteristic purity and conformity by a process known as liquefaction. This liquefaction was powered by both the fluttering crust and a year's worth of the crest and trough of global tidal waves pressing water into and effectively pulling it out of the increasingly deposited sediments. Thus the widespread flat gaps between sedimentary strata (also known as paraconformities, parallel strata with no apparent erosion) were formed globally on the continents. For more information, you may want to check out Bob Enyart and Fred William's November 2017 program, RSR Debrief of Geology Field Trip with Walt Brown.

* Marble Canyon Formed Differently: than the overall Grand Canyon, but similarly to how the Grand Canyon's Inner Gorge formed. Grand Lake poured out removing a massive funnel-shaped slice of earth above the area of Marble Canyon, and with that enormous weight removed, the strata below bowed upward, and the earth cracked, forming Marble Canyon not primarily by rapid erosion (as the Grand Canyon formed), but as a tension crack. Grand Lake waters flowing southwest beyond Marble Canyon joined with Hopi Lake waters and eroded the Grand Canyon.

RSR friend Mike Snavely's video on the origin of the Grand Canyon based on Walt Brown's model
$20. Call 1-800-8Enyart to order!

* The Massive Side Canyons: of the Grand Canyon mystify geologists, having formed with no apparent water source, as though there are more than a dozen missing Colorado Rivers. Yet the formation of the side canyons is understood easily by realizing that as the Earth was drying out after the Global Flood, the terrain around the canyon was still saturated, with a high water table, the water comprising perhaps one-fifth of the strata by volume. As the breached lake waters carved out the Canyon, subsurface waters carved the side canyons!

RSR with Walt Brown on the Fountains of the Great Deep

* Do You Know About the Extensive Evidence for the Global Flood? Welcome! You have arrived at Real Science Radio's landing page that will introduce you to our resources on the global flood. RSR has been convinced in the accuracy and the predictive and explanatory power of Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory. We refer to the HPT also as the fountains-of-the-great-deep flood model. As you scroll down, you'll find:
- RSR's best-selling full-length HPT video
- Excerpts of RSR's HPT video embedded here from our YouTube channel
- Walt Brown's beautiful, In the Beginning (HPT) hardcover book for sale
- Bible verses uniquely supporting various flood models (HPT, VCT, CPT)
Physical features that require a biblical and scientific explanation (HPT, VCTCPT)
- The in-progress 9th Edition of Walt's book as a free PDF
- A list of all of our RSR interviews with Dr. Brown and other HPT experts
- In the days of Peleg "the Earth was divided"
- The stunning Google rankings for Walt's work
- And a few other gems!

* The Hydroplate Theory Explained on Today's Radio Show: To hear today's radio program about the global flood, just click one of the links above. RSr's Bob Enyart interviews Dr. Walt Brown addressing many observations from the physical sciences related to the flood of Noah's day. To get our best-selling video:

Bob asks you: If you love RSR, could you purchase this to help us stay on the air?Today's Resource: Just click to order RSR's best-selling video:

The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
Blu-ray, 2-DVD Set, or HD Streaming or Download

Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

DVD Vol. 1
1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

DVD Vol. 2
3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

* Get the Best Creation Science Book Ever Written: Just click on the cover of Dr. Walt Brown's book to purchase it from RSR (which also helps us to continue broadcasting)...

Walt Brown's In the Beginning* Today's Radio Show Topics: Dr. Brown joins Real Science Radio today to discuss topics from his best-selling book to help us understand:
- that the continents do not fit together well against each other, as presented in the Pangea hypothesis, unless you shrink Africa by 30%, and make other dramatic manipulations.
- that the jigsaw shape of the continents does fit well against the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
- what formed the 46,000-mile long Mid-oceanic Ridge?
- that the Atlantic Ocean is relatively shallow, whereas the Pacific is relatively deep.
- what formed the deep Pacific trenches including the 36-thousand foot-deep Marianas Trench?
- that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system's asteroids and comets.
- that Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they were launched from Earth.
- that the debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, which helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors.
- that NASA discovered the earth-like composition of comets, including that they contain olivine, a very common class of Earth minerals, confirms an inherent prediction of Dr. Walt Brown's flood model.

* 2015 UPDATE! Nasa Finds Salt on Ceres! Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory predicts salt on asteroids, and Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt. Check out David Coppedge's overview of the discovery. (David is a fabulous science journalist on the board of Illustra Media.)

* Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: At RSR, we assert that CPT is an unbiblical and unscientific hypothesis. The leading proponents of this view, which is the creationist version of the secular "plate tectonics" (PT) theory,  base the theory upon a sequence of miracles, none of which are described in the Scriptures nor supported by the biblical narrative. And many of the same observations that refute PT also refute CPT. See the following excerpts from our RSR flood video for more.

Excerpts: RSR's Global Flood and Hydroplate Theory: We've excerpted our best-selling flood video which is available in full on DVD, Blu-ray, or download. We hope you enjoy this:

* in the Days of Peleg, the Earth was Divided
: In our video embedded just above, from 12:13 to 15:21, we discuss Genesis 10:25 which states that in the days of Peleg, the earth was divided. See While the text could plausibly be interpreted to refer to some other type of division, most literally, it indicates that "the earth" was divided.

* 2012 Update on the Moon: As explained in the Dr. Brown's hydroplate theory, the Moon was battered when the fountains of the great deep erupted and launched much debris into space. That helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors. Now, from our All Scientists Work for Dr. Brown file, interestingly, Maria Zuber, principal investigator for NASA's GRAIL mission, said, "It was known that planets were battered by impacts, but nobody had envisioned that the [Moon’s] crust was so beaten up." Nobody, that is, except for Dr. Brown. :)

* September 2015 UPDATE! Nasa Finds Water on Mars: :) Regarding NASA's announcement of the discovery of water on Mars, just in time to promote the Hollywood film The Martian, we mention our radio program from ten years ago, Water on Mars, France on Drugs to illustrate this quote that appears on Dr. Walt Brown's website:

Discoveries of water on Mars are now so common that the subject has become the butt of jokes among planetary scientists: “Congratulations—you’ve discovered water on Mars for the 1,000th time!"

What is significant however is that Walt Brown predicted the presence of salt water on Mars, now confirmed! Further, water on Mars does not imply that life could have originated there, for that ubiquitous atheistic claim ignores basic science. Water can sustain life. Yet because water is the universal solvent, it relentlessly dissolves the biological compounds needed to form the most basic biological structures like amino acids and polymers. So, water sustains life, but it is the enemy of a materialistic origin of life.

* Shared RSR Google Spreadsheets on Flood Models: (works in progress)
- Bible Material Uniquely Supporting Various Flood Models
- Physical Features Requiring Explanation and Flood Models

* Bryan Nickel's HPT YouTube Tutorials: You can hear Bob Enyart interview mechanical engineer Bryan Nickel on his HPT YouTube Tutorial Series and you can watch Part 1 right here:


RSR: Dr. Walt Brown on Evolution

* RSF's Favorite Scientist: Here at Real Science Radio, Dr. Walt Brown is our favorite scientist! He wrote In the Beginning, a best-selling book on creation and the global flood. Brown authored the Hydroplate Theory, which explains 25 major features of the earth and its environment, and he's made five amazingly specific predictions about the earth and astronomy which have since been confirmed as accurate and his current book contains 45 more predictions. These insights flow from Walt's theory that the global flood resulted after the earth's crust broke open, forming the globe-encircling mid-oceanic ridge, and released water from ten miles beneath the surface from a virtually world-wide subterranean sea. Walt Brown received a Ph.D. from MIT, has taught science at the U.S. Air Force Academy, and was Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College.

* Biography: Walt Brown received a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he was a National Science Foundation Fellow. He has taught college courses in physics, mathematics, and computer science. Brown is a retired Air Force full colonel, West Point graduate, and former Army Ranger and paratrooper. Assignments during his 21 years of military service included: Director of Benét Laboratories (a major research, development, and engineering facility); tenured associate professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy; and Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College. For much of his life Walt Brown was an evolutionist, but after years of study, he became convinced of the scientific validity of creation and a global flood. Since retiring from the military, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and teaching on creation and the flood. And as Bob Enyart says, "Henry Morris is the Copernicus of the creation movement, and Walt Brown is the Isaac Newton!"

Bob suggests: If you love RSR you will love this video on the global flood!Today's Resource: Please check out our newest science video...

The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
Blu-ray, 2-DVD Set or HD Download

Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

DVD Vol. 1
1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

DVD Vol. 2
3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

The Blu-ray disc contains all parts on one disc. And for now, save $10 with our special introductory pricing which discounts the $50 retail price to $39.99!

* UPDATE: Google's Favorite (well, highest rank) Scientist On: Go ahead and Google the following words. As of July 2013:
 - creation evolution flood, and out of 10 million web pages that include those three words, Dr. Walt Brown's work is number one, ranking as the most popular among very stiff competition. Try also googling:
 - origin of asteroids, and you'll find Walt's powerful chapter at #1 out of 2 million pages
 - origin of earth's radioactivity, and Walt's at 1 of 2M
 - origin of ocean trenches, 1 out of 4M pages
 - origin of frozen mammoths, Walt's at 2 of 1M pages
 - origin of the grand canyon, and Walt's at 4 of 2.5 million pages among extremely tough competition like Wikipedia and
the National Park Service (and beating out all the other creation ministries too).

* A Best-Selling Creation Author: In addition to his very popular website, Walt Brown's life work also appears in his monograph, In the Beginning, with 150,000 books in print, making it perhaps the best-selling hardcover creation book ever. The Hydroplate Theory is presented in these formats, as available directly from Dr. Brown:
 - In the Beginning, full-color hardcover of the 8th edition (also available on our own RSR store)
 - In the Beginning on a digital CD as a pdf of the draft 9th edition
 - In the Beginning as an online book
 - On DVDs about the Grand Canyon and Earthquakes
 - On audio CDs as The Hydroplate Theory by Pastor Bob Enyart with Walt Brown.

* Can Life Begin By Chance: Bob and Walt Brown discuss complexity, information, and what reproduction means to evolution.

* Can a Leg Evolve into a Wing: Regarding survival of the fittest, with the force of a sledge hammer, natural selection would obliterate any reptile species whose leg started to evolve into a wing, because it would have very bad legs long before it had good wings.

* Evidence Against Millions of Years: C-14 appears in everything tested that is "millions of years old;" today's bacteria is just like that from "220-million year-old" amber, and living bacteria has been found in "million-year-old" fossilized bees; the continents would erode in 25 million years, yet "far-older" fossils are in the mountains; the Earth is missing billions-of-years worth of missing volcanic matter; the Earth is missing millions of years worth of impacts, since meteorites have only hit shallow strata. Etc.

Walt Brown Week
Mon. Dr. Walt Brown on Evolution
Tue. Dr. Walt Brown on the Hydroplate Theory
Wed. Walt Brown on the Grand Canyon
Thu. Walt on Where the Water Went
Fri. The Walt Brown Effect: Q&A

Ringing in a Merry Christmas Tree

* KGOV Karols: BEL finds a way around the culture war on Christmas!
* Bristlecone Pine Tree Rings: do NOT provide dendrochronology evidence as long-claimed by evolutionists of an age for the Earth greater than the Bible's record. The refereed scientific Journal of Creation presents the overwhelming evidence that these trees growing in the arid White Mountains of California grow multiple rings per year!

Real Science Radio: Challenge of Folding Proteins

* Folding Proteins: Bob Enyart and Creation Research Society webmaster Fred Williams (of discuss the current issue of CRSQ, a technical creation/evolution journal. Proteins are nothing, compared to the wildly complicated process of folding them! An evolutionist in New Scientist admits that the supposed "age of the Universe is short compared with the time it would take even a small protein to sample the many billion possible folds en route to the right one." That's tough for atheists.

* Darwin's Head-On Collision: Atheists, etc., say that evolution happens so slowly we can't see it, but it has to operate fast enough for humans to evolve from apes in only six million years! And with the millions of genetic differences between the two, that would require mutations propagating throughout the entire genome, unlike what simple math permits and Darwin predicts, at blazing fast speed.

* UPDATE FIVE YEARS LATER: Speaking of folding proteins, the following animation depicts visually the folding of a protein (along with a small glimpse into other enormously complex cell functions). This was mentioned on RSR during our interview of Dr. Jonathan Witt, co-author with William Dembski of Intelligent Design Uncensored. As in this narrated animation of a few microbiological functions, such videos are helping the general public become aware of the intensive cooperation of the thousands of complex machines within each cell:

Colo Pastors Debate the Earth's Age Pt. 2

* Pastor John Stocker: from northern Colorado's largest church, Loveland's Resurrection Fellowship, concludes his discussion with Pastor Bob Enyart on the Age of the Earth, regarding the alleged big bang, the imagined "inflationary period," and CMB (cosmic microwave background), the background temperature of the universe.