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Welcome to Real Science Radio: Co-hosts Fred Williams and Doug McBurney talk about science to debunk evolution and to show the evidence for the creator God including from biology, genetics, geology, history, paleontology, archaeology, astronomy, philosophy, cosmology, math, and physics. (For example, mutations will give you bad legs long before you'd get good wings.) We get to debate Darwinists and atheists like Lawrence Krauss, AronRa, and Eugenie Scott. We easily take potshots from popular evolutionists like PZ Myers, Phil Plait, and Jerry Coyne. The RSR Archive contains our popular List Shows! And we interview the outstanding scientists who dare to challenge today's accepted creed that nothing created everything.

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RSR: Walt Brown on the Grand Canyon

Grand Canyon missing Ordovician and Silurian2018 UPDATE: Bryan Nickel joins Bob Enyart for our June is Grand Canyon Month at RSR to discuss the Hydroplate Theory explanation for the origin of the Grand Canyon! Just go to or the permalink at

* Two Lakes Breached: Grand Lake and Hopi Lakes, lifted high by the Colorado Plateau, breached their natural dams, and emptied out removing 2,000 cubic miles of sediment from above the Grand Canyon, and then carved out the 800 cubic miles of the canyon itself. (For the greater geologic context of how this happened, see

* Ten Years Later Update on the Flat Gaps: Notice that the layers of the Grand Canyon, revealing buried strata like nowhere else on Earth, show that the sedimentary layers have characteristically flat, horizontal, and parallel boundaries, Laminated wood is a good analog for the flat-gap boundaries between the strata of the southwest region of the U.S., and indeed, of much of the world.not unlike laminated wood. If the secular model were correct, and this mile deep stacking of sediments were laid down over hundreds of millions of years, then erosion, which is constant and relentless, would guarantee that there would be no such parallel uniformity to the boundaries of these layers. The vast majority of the Earth's sedimentary layers were laid down rapidly. Their minerals were agitated into their varying degrees of characteristic purity and conformity by a process known as liquefaction. This liquefaction was powered by both the fluttering crust and a year's worth of the crest and trough of global tidal waves pressing water into and effectively pulling it out of the increasingly deposited sediments. Thus the widespread flat gaps between sedimentary strata (also known as paraconformities, parallel strata with no apparent erosion) were formed globally on the continents. For more information, you may want to check out Bob Enyart and Fred William's November 2017 program, RSR Debrief of Geology Field Trip with Walt Brown.

* Marble Canyon Formed Differently: than the overall Grand Canyon, but similarly to how the Grand Canyon's Inner Gorge formed. Grand Lake poured out removing a massive funnel-shaped slice of earth above the area of Marble Canyon, and with that enormous weight removed, the strata below bowed upward, and the earth cracked, forming Marble Canyon not primarily by rapid erosion (as the Grand Canyon formed), but as a tension crack. Grand Lake waters flowing southwest beyond Marble Canyon joined with Hopi Lake waters and eroded the Grand Canyon.

RSR friend Mike Snavely's video on the origin of the Grand Canyon based on Walt Brown's model
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* The Massive Side Canyons: of the Grand Canyon mystify geologists, having formed with no apparent water source, as though there are more than a dozen missing Colorado Rivers. Yet the formation of the side canyons is understood easily by realizing that as the Earth was drying out after the Global Flood, the terrain around the canyon was still saturated, with a high water table, the water comprising perhaps one-fifth of the strata by volume. As the breached lake waters carved out the Canyon, subsurface waters carved the side canyons!

RSR with Walt Brown on the Fountains of the Great Deep

* Do You Know About the Extensive Evidence for the Global Flood? Welcome! You have arrived at Real Science Radio's landing page that will introduce you to our resources on the global flood. RSR has been convinced in the accuracy and the predictive and explanatory power of Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory. We refer to the HPT also as the fountains-of-the-great-deep flood model. As you scroll down, you'll find:
- RSR's best-selling full-length HPT video
- Excerpts of RSR's HPT video embedded here from our YouTube channel
- Walt Brown's beautiful, In the Beginning (HPT) hardcover book for sale
- Bible verses uniquely supporting various flood models (HPT, VCT, CPT)
Physical features that require a biblical and scientific explanation (HPT, VCTCPT)
- The in-progress 9th Edition of Walt's book as a free PDF
- A list of all of our RSR interviews with Dr. Brown and other HPT experts
- In the days of Peleg "the Earth was divided"
- The stunning Google rankings for Walt's work
- And a few other gems!

* The Hydroplate Theory Explained on Today's Radio Show: To hear today's radio program about the global flood, just click one of the links above. RSr's Bob Enyart interviews Dr. Walt Brown addressing many observations from the physical sciences related to the flood of Noah's day. To get our best-selling video:

Bob asks you: If you love RSR, could you purchase this to help us stay on the air?Today's Resource: Just click to order RSR's best-selling video:

The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
Blu-ray, 2-DVD Set, or HD Streaming or Download

Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

DVD Vol. 1
1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

DVD Vol. 2
3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

* Get the Best Creation Science Book Ever Written: Just click on the cover of Dr. Walt Brown's book to purchase it from RSR (which also helps us to continue broadcasting)...

Walt Brown's In the Beginning* Today's Radio Show Topics: Dr. Brown joins Real Science Radio today to discuss topics from his best-selling book to help us understand:
- that the continents do not fit together well against each other, as presented in the Pangea hypothesis, unless you shrink Africa by 30%, and make other dramatic manipulations.
- that the jigsaw shape of the continents does fit well against the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
- what formed the 46,000-mile long Mid-oceanic Ridge?
- that the Atlantic Ocean is relatively shallow, whereas the Pacific is relatively deep.
- what formed the deep Pacific trenches including the 36-thousand foot-deep Marianas Trench?
- that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system's asteroids and comets.
- that Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they were launched from Earth.
- that the debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, which helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors.
- that NASA discovered the earth-like composition of comets, including that they contain olivine, a very common class of Earth minerals, confirms an inherent prediction of Dr. Walt Brown's flood model.

* 2015 UPDATE! Nasa Finds Salt on Ceres! Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory predicts salt on asteroids, and Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt. Check out David Coppedge's overview of the discovery. (David is a fabulous science journalist on the board of Illustra Media.)

* Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: At RSR, we assert that CPT is an unbiblical and unscientific hypothesis. The leading proponents of this view, which is the creationist version of the secular "plate tectonics" (PT) theory,  base the theory upon a sequence of miracles, none of which are described in the Scriptures nor supported by the biblical narrative. And many of the same observations that refute PT also refute CPT. See the following excerpts from our RSR flood video for more.

Excerpts: RSR's Global Flood and Hydroplate Theory: We've excerpted our best-selling flood video which is available in full on DVD, Blu-ray, or download. We hope you enjoy this:

* in the Days of Peleg, the Earth was Divided
: In our video embedded just above, from 12:13 to 15:21, we discuss Genesis 10:25 which states that in the days of Peleg, the earth was divided. See While the text could plausibly be interpreted to refer to some other type of division, most literally, it indicates that "the earth" was divided.

* 2012 Update on the Moon: As explained in the Dr. Brown's hydroplate theory, the Moon was battered when the fountains of the great deep erupted and launched much debris into space. That helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors. Now, from our All Scientists Work for Dr. Brown file, interestingly, Maria Zuber, principal investigator for NASA's GRAIL mission, said, "It was known that planets were battered by impacts, but nobody had envisioned that the [Moon’s] crust was so beaten up." Nobody, that is, except for Dr. Brown. :)

* September 2015 UPDATE! Nasa Finds Water on Mars: :) Regarding NASA's announcement of the discovery of water on Mars, just in time to promote the Hollywood film The Martian, we mention our radio program from ten years ago, Water on Mars, France on Drugs to illustrate this quote that appears on Dr. Walt Brown's website:

Discoveries of water on Mars are now so common that the subject has become the butt of jokes among planetary scientists: “Congratulations—you’ve discovered water on Mars for the 1,000th time!"

What is significant however is that Walt Brown predicted the presence of salt water on Mars, now confirmed! Further, water on Mars does not imply that life could have originated there, for that ubiquitous atheistic claim ignores basic science. Water can sustain life. Yet because water is the universal solvent, it relentlessly dissolves the biological compounds needed to form the most basic biological structures like amino acids and polymers. So, water sustains life, but it is the enemy of a materialistic origin of life.

* Shared RSR Google Spreadsheets on Flood Models: (works in progress)
- Bible Material Uniquely Supporting Various Flood Models
- Physical Features Requiring Explanation and Flood Models

* Bryan Nickel's HPT YouTube Tutorials: You can hear Bob Enyart interview mechanical engineer Bryan Nickel on his HPT YouTube Tutorial Series and you can watch Part 1 right here:


RSR: Dr. Walt Brown on Evolution

* RSF's Favorite Scientist: Here at Real Science Radio, Dr. Walt Brown is our favorite scientist! He wrote In the Beginning, a best-selling book on creation and the global flood. Brown authored the Hydroplate Theory, which explains 25 major features of the earth and its environment, and he's made five amazingly specific predictions about the earth and astronomy which have since been confirmed as accurate and his current book contains 45 more predictions. These insights flow from Walt's theory that the global flood resulted after the earth's crust broke open, forming the globe-encircling mid-oceanic ridge, and released water from ten miles beneath the surface from a virtually world-wide subterranean sea. Walt Brown received a Ph.D. from MIT, has taught science at the U.S. Air Force Academy, and was Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College.

* Biography: Walt Brown received a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he was a National Science Foundation Fellow. He has taught college courses in physics, mathematics, and computer science. Brown is a retired Air Force full colonel, West Point graduate, and former Army Ranger and paratrooper. Assignments during his 21 years of military service included: Director of Benét Laboratories (a major research, development, and engineering facility); tenured associate professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy; and Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College. For much of his life Walt Brown was an evolutionist, but after years of study, he became convinced of the scientific validity of creation and a global flood. Since retiring from the military, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and teaching on creation and the flood. And as Bob Enyart says, "Henry Morris is the Copernicus of the creation movement, and Walt Brown is the Isaac Newton!"

Bob suggests: If you love RSR you will love this video on the global flood!Today's Resource: Please check out our newest science video...

The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
Blu-ray, 2-DVD Set or HD Download

Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

DVD Vol. 1
1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

DVD Vol. 2
3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

The Blu-ray disc contains all parts on one disc. And for now, save $10 with our special introductory pricing which discounts the $50 retail price to $39.99!

* UPDATE: Google's Favorite (well, highest rank) Scientist On: Go ahead and Google the following words. As of July 2013:
 - creation evolution flood, and out of 10 million web pages that include those three words, Dr. Walt Brown's work is number one, ranking as the most popular among very stiff competition. Try also googling:
 - origin of asteroids, and you'll find Walt's powerful chapter at #1 out of 2 million pages
 - origin of earth's radioactivity, and Walt's at 1 of 2M
 - origin of ocean trenches, 1 out of 4M pages
 - origin of frozen mammoths, Walt's at 2 of 1M pages
 - origin of the grand canyon, and Walt's at 4 of 2.5 million pages among extremely tough competition like Wikipedia and
the National Park Service (and beating out all the other creation ministries too).

* A Best-Selling Creation Author: In addition to his very popular website, Walt Brown's life work also appears in his monograph, In the Beginning, with 150,000 books in print, making it perhaps the best-selling hardcover creation book ever. The Hydroplate Theory is presented in these formats, as available directly from Dr. Brown:
 - In the Beginning, full-color hardcover of the 8th edition (also available on our own RSR store)
 - In the Beginning on a digital CD as a pdf of the draft 9th edition
 - In the Beginning as an online book
 - On DVDs about the Grand Canyon and Earthquakes
 - On audio CDs as The Hydroplate Theory by Pastor Bob Enyart with Walt Brown.

* Can Life Begin By Chance: Bob and Walt Brown discuss complexity, information, and what reproduction means to evolution.

* Can a Leg Evolve into a Wing: Regarding survival of the fittest, with the force of a sledge hammer, natural selection would obliterate any reptile species whose leg started to evolve into a wing, because it would have very bad legs long before it had good wings.

* Evidence Against Millions of Years: C-14 appears in everything tested that is "millions of years old;" today's bacteria is just like that from "220-million year-old" amber, and living bacteria has been found in "million-year-old" fossilized bees; the continents would erode in 25 million years, yet "far-older" fossils are in the mountains; the Earth is missing billions-of-years worth of missing volcanic matter; the Earth is missing millions of years worth of impacts, since meteorites have only hit shallow strata. Etc.

Walt Brown Week
Mon. Dr. Walt Brown on Evolution
Tue. Dr. Walt Brown on the Hydroplate Theory
Wed. Walt Brown on the Grand Canyon
Thu. Walt on Where the Water Went
Fri. The Walt Brown Effect: Q&A

Ringing in a Merry Christmas Tree

* KGOV Karols: BEL finds a way around the culture war on Christmas!
* Bristlecone Pine Tree Rings: do NOT provide dendrochronology evidence as long-claimed by evolutionists of an age for the Earth greater than the Bible's record. The refereed scientific Journal of Creation presents the overwhelming evidence that these trees growing in the arid White Mountains of California grow multiple rings per year!

Real Science Radio: Challenge of Folding Proteins

* Folding Proteins: Bob Enyart and Creation Research Society webmaster Fred Williams (of discuss the current issue of CRSQ, a technical creation/evolution journal. Proteins are nothing, compared to the wildly complicated process of folding them! An evolutionist in New Scientist admits that the supposed "age of the Universe is short compared with the time it would take even a small protein to sample the many billion possible folds en route to the right one." That's tough for atheists.

* Darwin's Head-On Collision: Atheists, etc., say that evolution happens so slowly we can't see it, but it has to operate fast enough for humans to evolve from apes in only six million years! And with the millions of genetic differences between the two, that would require mutations propagating throughout the entire genome, unlike what simple math permits and Darwin predicts, at blazing fast speed.

* UPDATE FIVE YEARS LATER: Speaking of folding proteins, the following animation depicts visually the folding of a protein (along with a small glimpse into other enormously complex cell functions). This was mentioned on RSR during our interview of Dr. Jonathan Witt, co-author with William Dembski of Intelligent Design Uncensored. As in this narrated animation of a few microbiological functions, such videos are helping the general public become aware of the intensive cooperation of the thousands of complex machines within each cell:

Colo Pastors Debate the Earth's Age Pt. 2

* Pastor John Stocker: from northern Colorado's largest church, Loveland's Resurrection Fellowship, concludes his discussion with Pastor Bob Enyart on the Age of the Earth, regarding the alleged big bang, the imagined "inflationary period," and CMB (cosmic microwave background), the background temperature of the universe.

Colorado Pastors John Stocker and Bob Enyart Debate the Earth's Age

* Pastor John Stocker: From Loveland's Resurrection Fellowship, famed pastor John Stocker discusses the Age of the Earth with Pastor Bob Enyart of Denver Bible Church, referring to light years, and the King James Version's use of the word "replenish."

* John Stocker Part II: If you enjoy today's program, you'll want to check out tomorrow's conclusion!

Today's Resource: Listen to our moderated Age of the Earth Debate between Bob Enyart and a high school science teacher, against a geophysicist and a university mathematician! You can listen to the debate, and by popping the CD into a PC, you can also view the spectacular science slides to help you understand the discussion!

RSR: Carbon 14 Everywhere No Longer an Anomaly

* 2012 Singapore AGU Conference Update: Listen to the Real Science Radio interview with a member of the international scientific team that presented at an AGU geophysical conference in Singapore the results, from five respected laboratories around the world, of the Carbon 14 radiometric dating of the bones from ten dinosaurs (excavated from China, Europe, Alaska, Texas, etc.). Carbon 14 lasts only thousands of years, not millions, yet each of these dinosaurs (as RSR expected) had plenty of radiocarbon. With the scientific breakthroughs and discoveries coming in daily, this is a great time to be alive!

* Finding C-14 EVERYWHERE: Bob Enyart and Creation Research Society webmaster Fred Williams (of discuss the current issue of CRSQ, a technical creation/evolution journal. Anything millions of years old should have NO Carbon-14. However, scientists are consistently finding C-14 in coal, oil, limestone, fossil wood, graphite, natural gas, marble, dinosaur fossils, and even in supposedly billion-year-old diamonds! A secondary assumption by old-earth scientists proposes that the C-14 in diamonds (coal, etc.) must have come from C-13 and neutron capture. Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss (emphasis on the theoretical) told RSR that 14C in allegedly million-year-old specimens is an "anomaly." However, an anomaly is something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected. Because modern carbon exists in significant quantities, far above the reliability threshold of the AMS labs doing the tests, these results can no longer be called anomalies! It is now expected that organic specimens supposedly millions of years old will yield maximum C-14 ages of only thousands of years!!

RSR: Pain is NOT Physical

* Pain is NOT Physical: This special edition of Real Science Radio is adapted from the BEL Forum at Pain and Sentience are Knowledge Based, and Knowledge is Not Physical! Therefore, pain is not physical. Consider the three aspects of various created organisms and beings, body, soul, and spirit.

- A Plant has a Body: do not have souls (which are non-material), and when you chop down a tree, it does not feel pain (a 1960s science fiction TV show notwithstanding).
- An Animal has a Body and Soul: in addition to a body, animals have a non-material component, a rudimentary soul as indicated in Genesis 1:24 and elsewhere. A soul enables animals to sense pain, and so that many can relate to other animals and to human beings.
- A Person has a Body, Soul, and Spirit: God made human beings with a body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes. 5:23, etc.), and thus we have a far greater capacity to enjoy the depths of relationship, and also therefore, to experience pain.

* Pain is Comprehension: Pain is awareness; and awareness is not physical. Neurologists claim that we sense pain with our brain. As evidence for that, they show that nerve damage can prevent the signal from an injury from reaching the brain, and in such cases, many patients indicate that they do not feel pain from that injury. However, the brain as an organ itself is completely unable to feel pain. When a brain surgeon operates and cuts into brain matter, the patient does not feel pain from that surgery. Why not? How can the brain, possibly the only organ that does not sense pain, be the very organ by which we sense pain? The answer only appears after realizing from the nature of pain itself, that pain is not physical.

* Pain is Non-Physical: Pain is awareness, which is a state of knowledge. You can program a robot to back up suddenly if it bumps into a wall, and even to yell, "Ouch." But it hasn't felt pain, because it is only made of atoms and molecules, and can have no awareness, because like many very real things, sentience is not physical. The laws of logic are not physical (no mass, polarity, etc.), and neither is reason, nor the laws of grammar. Pain is awareness that something is wrong. Therefore pain is inherently non-physical, and so pain resulting from non-physical causes is dramatically more hurtful than pain resulting from physical stimuli. A paper cut on the eyeball really hurts. A father who will not look his disowned son in the eye is far more painful. The intense pain of childbirth passes quickly. The inconsolable pain of a child dying lasts for years. Physical pain dissipates more quickly because it must be converted to the non-physical realm for it to be experienced. Emotional and spiritual pain hits the soul and spirit directly, and so it persists longer and is more effective. If someone has been abandoned by his parents, he might be able to know the pain felt by the little one who is aborted, purposefully rejected by his mother, and intentionally killed, whether by a surgical or chemical abortion as with the Morning After Abortion Pill. A mother who doesn't have the willingness to love her child hurts him far beyond the physical impact of the abortion. Giving the child anesthesia will do little to alleviate his or her pain from the abortion, and nor will it help with the mother's pain when she meets that child, on Judgment Day.