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Welcome to Real Science Radio: Co-hosts Fred Williams and Doug McBurney talk about science to debunk evolution and to show the evidence for the creator God including from biology, genetics, geology, history, paleontology, archaeology, astronomy, philosophy, cosmology, math, and physics. (For example, mutations will give you bad legs long before you'd get good wings.) We get to debate Darwinists and atheists like Lawrence Krauss, AronRa, and Eugenie Scott. We easily take potshots from popular evolutionists like PZ Myers, Phil Plait, and Jerry Coyne. The RSR Archive contains our popular List Shows! And we interview the outstanding scientists who dare to challenge today's accepted creed that nothing created everything.

RSR airs every Friday at 3pm MST on AM 670 KLTT in Denver, Colorado. For rebroadcast times and podcast platforms, see our Affiliates page.

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RSR: Saved Lakes and Snowflakes

Snowflakes by God* Saved Lakes &Snowflakes, Spiders & Migrators: Bob Enyart and co-host Fred Williams have a fun time on this episode of Real Science Radio talking through the Spring 2010 issue of Creation magazine including on:
- Dinosaurs: first they reduced the number of species by half, now, they're reducing the weight by half
- DNA: IBM looks to the brilliant design of the DNA molecule for ideas for microchips
- Spider Silk: stronger than steal, and a rope the thickness of a garden hose could lift two 737s
- Footprints on a Beach: fossilized provide more evidence like worldwide of rapid fossilization
- Birds See Magnetism: birds' beaks don't sense earth's magnetic field, but they can SEE it

* Lakes are Saved because Water Expands When Cooled: The rule of science is, generally, that materials expand when heated. But not water. The ecosystem in tens of millions of lakes is saved because water expands as it freezes. So the floating ice protects the fish! For otherwise, the ice would sink and freeze lakes from the bottom up, exposing and killing all the fish. By God's brilliant design that takes into account both physics and biology, the ice itself forms a blanket of protection keeping the water below liquid and nice and warm (for a fish that is, 32 degrees and warmer).

* Snowflake Design: Snowflake design is based on chemistry. But the information on a printed page, just like that in DNA, is NOT based on chemistry. And by the way, the man who spent 50 years on scientific research and who thereby introduced the world to the beauty of snowflakes, Willie Bentley, attributed the intricacy, wonder, and beauty of the universe, from snowflakes to galaxies, to our Creator God! Finally, years ago Bob Enyart saw photographs of man-made snowflakes (as at a ski resort) and recalls how ugly they were; RSR would love to display such photos, so if you come across any, please let us know at Thanks!

* Two Years Later, the Answer to RSR's Request Appeared Online: London's Daily Mail published Snowflakes: scientists capture incredible close-ups, courtesy of the USDA, the U.S. taxpapers, and... God!

RSR: Moving Zebra-like Stripes

Moving stripes* Sounds Fishy, but Zebra-like Stripes can Move: Bob Enyart and co-host Fred Williams have a fun time on this episode of Real Science Friday talking through the January to March 2010 issue of Creation magazine including on:
 - Cuttlefish change color and design by extraordinary and intricate mechanisms
 - Lessons from genes that give personality to dog hair
 - Quick review of caterpillar-to-butterfly nail in Darwin's coffin
 - The 150-million year old squid fossil with ink still able to be reconstituted
 - Retrograde orbits and rotations challenge the condensing Nebula theory of solar system formation
 - Tracks that show dinosaurs dragging its tail, sitting down, and then lifted by water scratched the sand with it's claws
 - Chimps less able to learn than evolutionists had expected
 - Since Darwin's Tree of Life has been debunked, genes are revealing amazing things
 - Programmed cell death undermines survival of the fittest
- Post-show note: the extraordinary ability of the color blind octopus (as shown in the YouTube video below) to turn color almost immediately to camouflage itself.

RSR: God's Philosophers & James Hannam

God's Philosophers by James Hannam* The staff at Bob Enyart Live: say Happy Atheists Day with this special edition of Real Science Radio!

* God's Philosophers & James Hannam: Hannam's book is subtitled, How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science. Join Bob Enyart as he enjoys this transatlantic interview with James Hannam, author of God's Philosophers!

* The Church Never Taught that the World was Flat: Neither the medieval world in general, nor the Christian Church in particular, ever taught that the Earth was flat. (According to the popular secular site LiveScience, the president of the active Flat Earth Society, Daniel Shenton, is an evolutionist. See this and more at And see also's article on the four corners of the Earth.) But much of western civilization believed that the Sun, planets and stars evolved around the Earth, and that belief greatly slowed scientific progress. So, who gets the blame for retarding scientific progress for 1500 years, the Bible and the Christian Church, or the pagan Greek philosophers Plato and Aristotle?

* Post-show Update: So, not only did the Church never teach that the Earth was flat, the president of the actual Flat Earth Society is himself an evolutionist! And see also a University of California Santa Barbara history professor's great article, The Myth of the Flat Earth.

* Bonus - Enyart and Hannam to Debate Theistic Evolution: James Hannam has agreed to return to BEL soon to discuss his belief in theistic evolution with Bob, who rejects evolution and advocates special creation and a young earth! See Hannam's assessment just below, and enjoy the debate intself at these links:

Real Science Radio: Comets Pt. II

Comet* Kevin Lea and Bob Enyart Discuss the Launch of Comets: In this special edition of Real Science Radio, Kevin Lea, with his background in nuclear physics, concludes his discussion with Bob about comets. (Hear Comets Part I.) They discuss the short lifespans of comets, their composition and orbits, all of which show that comets originated from Earth. The Bible records that the fountains of the great deep broke forth and flooded the Earth and, as it turns out, launched comets into space! Yes, every single comet came from Earth. Check out Walt Brown's fabulous chapter on The Origin of Comets!

* 2013 Update 1: Fun affirmation of Walt Brown's comet theory David Mathisen's comet in the asteroid belt blog!
* 2013 Update 2: Astounding affirmation of the Hydroplate Theory and comet chapter, in comet 1680/ISON's return! :)

* TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT: PERSONHOOD ON THE BALLOT!!  CONGRATULATIONS to Leslie Hanks and Gualberto Garcia-Jones of Colorado RTL and Personhood Colorado! The Colorado Secretary of State has certified that the pro-life Personhood Amendment 62, Definition of Person, will appear on the statewide ballot in November!

Origin of Comets (& Asteroids & TNOs) on Real Science Radio

Walt Brown was here sign on Comet 67p.See below for:
- Walt Brown Was Here
- All Scientists Work for Walt Brown
- RSR's asteroid & peanutoid info
- And our list of Kevin Lea broadcasts.

* Hydroplate Expert Kevin Lea Talks about Comets: God did not create the Earth with comets and asteroids aimed at it. So what brought about this danger? In a special edition of Real Science Radio, Bob Enyart and Kevin Lea, a Washington state pastor with a background in nuclear physics, talk about comets: their size, speed, orbits, composition, and lifespan, and origin! They discuss the short lifespans of comets, their composition and orbits, all of which show that comets originated from Earth. The Bible records that the fountains of the great deep broke forth and flooded the Earth and, as it turns out, launched comets into space! Yes, every single comet came from Earth. Check out Walt Brown's fabulous chapter on The Origin of Comets! Hear also the conclusion of this fascinating discussion in RSR: Comets II.

* DRAFT comet animation by RSR:

2013 Update 1: See this fun affirmation of Walt Brown's comet theory, in David Mathisen's comet in the asteroid belt blog.
2013 Update 2: For more evidence for the Hydroplate Theory and its origin of comets explanation, see Comet ISON is Comet 1680 returned.
2014 Update 1: Hubble telescope photographed the "mysterious" breakup of an asteroid. This is not a mystery but instead is expected by students of the hydroplate theory, as explained in Kevin Lea's note below.
2014 Update 2: Asteroid trio gives Earth a close shave (from a triple-blade razor :).
Comet2014 Update 3: In related news, see Pastor Lea's letter to Vladimir Putin regarding Pastor Saeed Abedini unjustly held in an Iranian prison.
2014 Update 4: Cosmonauts find sea plankton on the outside of the International Space Station!
2015 Update: Another confirmed creationist prediction (see just below) this one regarding comets comprised of rounded rocks.
2017 Update: A binary comet/asteroid hybrid has been discovered (see below)

Comet 67P has rounded boulders contrary to secular expectations but confirming creationist predictions* Another Confirmed HPT Prediction, Rounded Boulders on Comets: Regarding the confirmation of yet another astounding science prediction, in January 2015, Bob Enyart interviews Dr. Walt Brown, author of the hydroplate theory explanation of the global flood and the many resulting broken features of our Earth and solar system. The European Space Agency has just released high-resolution images of Comet 67P along with the assessment of their scientists that they may have found unexpectedly large rounded boulders (up to 10-feet in diameter) that may be the comet's building blocks! This interview presents this latest discovery which, though it has shocked so many secular astronomers, has confirmed Walt Brown's specific prediction, published 13 years ago in the 7th Edition of his book In the Beginning, about the composition of comets. See more at

* Landslide Photographed on Comet 67P: In a related story and now added to our RSR's List of the Solar System's Transient Events, the European Space Agency has photographed an actual landslide on Comet 67P. Just like every planet and all the other kinds of bodies in the solar system, this allegedly four billion year-old flying pile of rounded boulders produces transient events, that is, passing phenomena, like 67P's landslide and outgassing oxygen, that would be unexpected to see on billion-year-old objects. As for this landslide, of course stable cliffs are not easily built with rounded boulders, so catching a landslide photographically as it happens is not shocking, as it is to old-earthers, but expected, as it is to students of the hydroplate theory!

Comet 67P outgassing. Photo European Space Agency.* Comet 67P Outgassing to Beat the Band: Six weeks of close-up observations show this comet would exhaust its water in just thousands of years! From Dr. Brian Thomas over at ICR:

As the Rosetta spacecraft approached the comet, it measured gas and dust near the comet for six weeks. "In the same period, first measurements from the Microwave Instrument for the Rosetta Orbiter, MIRO, suggested that the comet was emitting water vapour into space at about 300 millilitres per second," according to the ESA. That's over six-thousand gallons per day! At that rate, the whole comet—assuming it's made entirely of water ice—would melt into space after only hundreds of thousands years.

* RSR's ASTEROID LIST: This list is the beginning of our resources:
- Asteroids are not from an exploded planet. (Their combined mass hardly equates to a small moon.) See RSR's Asteroid challenges naturalism, supports Walt Brown.
- The total mass of the asteroid belt is estimated at approximately 4% that of the Moon and the Moon is approximately 1.2% of the Earth's mass, so the asteroid belt is five hundreths of one percent of the Earth's current mass, and less of it's original mass.
- Asteroids, including the one that struck the Sudan desert in 2006 contain diamonds with inclusions common to diamonds on Earth "such as chromite, phosphate and iron-nickel sulfides", like meteoroids, comets, and TNOs, are composed of minerals common to Earth.
- With the solar system's many old-age-busting transient eventsHubble photographed what is to secularists a "mysterious" breakup of an asteroid.
- We issued our in spite of the many asteroids that are known to have moons and the extraordinarily difficult physics of capturing a moon, yet with all that Kevin Lea and Bob Enyart still predicted that astronomers will continue to be surprised at the increasing number of asteroids found with moons. From

Asteroids will be shown to have debris fields orbiting them. That is, the percentage of asteroids known to have moons will continue to grow, contrary to materialist expectations (because of the physics challenge of an asteroid capturing one moon, let alone two or more). Also, we will find asteroids with orbiting debris and multiple moons. This standing prediction was partially confirmed when RSR  said on September 1, 2017 that there was a significant likelihood that the Florence flyby may show that it has "one or two moons". Five days later, NASA announced and the science media headlines reported, "Asteroid Florence has Two Moons"! Partially confirmed again on July 11, 2018, "Object [2017 YE5] is Actually Two Asteroids Orbiting Each Other & It’s Freaking Scientists Out" per Bustle (of all outlets) and NASA.

- For why many asteroids have moons, see RSR's Asteroid and Meteoroid a Coincidence? and Yet Another Asteroid with Moon
- For the 2017 flyby of asteroid 3122 Florence, based on RSR's creation model,  we said that it very well "may have a moon in tow... In fact, it might have a couple moons." Five days later NASA and the science headlines announced: Asteroid Florence has two moons! See more.
- NASA and other sources list the number of asteroids with moons as "more than 150". Johnston Archive as of September 2017 listing both TNOs and asteroids counts over 300 with 286 binaries, 13 triples, and one sextuple, Pluto, for a total of 316 physics-challenging companions. (Personal note to Wm. Robert Johnston: Before you reject our information out-of-hand Dr. Johnston, you owe it to yourself and to your readers to peruse our and pages.)
- A "twin asteroid", 65803 Didymos, in the news in 2017.
- For more on asteroids with moons, see also this nearby asteroid trio.
- Check out our friend David Mathisen's HPT-based comet in the asteroid belt report.
- And how about those peanut-shaped asteroids? :) Well, just check out...

Photos of four peanut shaped asteroids* RSR's List of Peanut-Shaped Asteroids: (See this also at What's with all the peanut-shaped asteroids? In an old-earth scenario by the secular nebular hypothesis and by the laws of physics (see below), these "contact binary asteroids" with their two connected lobes should hardly even exist. But they do. And they're common! Some of the peanutroids, as RSR calls them, are:
2015 BN509
2006 DP14
1999 JD6
4179 Toutatis
433 Eros and for good measure
624 Hektor, elucidated by Hawaii's Keck Telescope, which is a peanut-shaped asteroid with a moon! See also Nat'l Geographic's report.
- In 2017, 2014 JO25 was discovered to be peanut-shaped!
- In 2018, perhaps 50% of the small bodies in the Kuiper Belt are believed by Lowell Observatory and Carnegie Institute astronomers to be contact binaries according to the Astronomical Journal!
- In 2019, the TNO 486958 Arrokoth, aka contact binary Ultima Thule, was photographed a billion miles beyond Pluto (see below)!
- And don't forget the peanut-shaped comets, some of which are listed just below! (Please notify of corrections or other peanutoids. Thanks!)

* NASA Admits Peanuts Are Mysteries: A NASA mission scientist and member of their Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Donald Yeomans,  explained why Itokawa and peanut-shaped asteroids generally contradict the physics-based expectations of old-earth scientists.

It's a major mystery how two objects each the size of skyscrapers could collide without blowing each other to smithereens. This is especially puzzling in a region of the solar system where gravitational forces would normally involve collision speeds of 2 km/sec [4,500 miles per hour].

* Yet 10% of Close-Up Asteroids Are Peanuts: To multiply this peanut evidence against secular expectations, according to old-earth astronomer Dr. Al Grauer with Travelers in the Night, data from the Goldstone Solar System Radar telescope and the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico suggests that of near-earth travelers larger than 650 feet in diameter, more than 10% of these asteroids have a peanut shape. And by the way, so was Arthur C. Clarke's fictional asteroid Kali. And so are the very real comet nuclei of 19P/Borrelly103P/HartelyHalley's Comet, and the famed 67P which (undoubtedly like countless others) is known to be made up of millions of rounded boulders. Remember, all scientists work for Walt Brown!

Hubble photo 288P binary asteroid/comet hybrid 2016
Hubble: binary asteroid/comet hybrid 2016

* Binary Comet/Asteroid: Again from our all-scientists-work-for-Walt-Brown file, in September 2017, from our all-scientists-work-for-Walt-Brown file, the journal Nature published the discovery of 288P, a binary asteroid/comet hybrid. Wow! "Rapid rotation" is one of the (unworkable) explanations claimed by secular astronomers for binary asteroids. Secular astronomers, though mostly ignorant of the Hydroplate Theory formation of comets and asteroids, nonetheless make frequent discoveries consistent with and in confirmation of HPT creation science predictions!

Artist's depiction of the Chicxulub impact crater* Peanut Asteroid Craters? Would peanut-shaped asteroid impacts form circular craters? Or might their craters, depending on their orientation at impact, be somewhat deformed? National Geographic published a list of the ten biggest known impacts on Earth. Do any of them appear to have been caused by a peanutroid? With perhaps just over ten percent of the larger near-earth asteroids being peanut shaped, that alone might suggest why we may never have been hit with a peanut-shaped asteroid. Or, might an understanding of the origin of asteroids (and of comets, meteoroids, and TNOs) help to explain why it would be even less than statistically likely that we would get hit by a dually than by a unary impactor?

TNO Snowman Ultima Thule: Walt Brown was here!* 2019 Photo of Another Contact Binary: NASA's New Horizon, a billion miles past Pluto, photographed yet another contact binary TNO 486958 Arrokoth, Ultima Thule! Previously, regarding such binaries (or snowmen), in a moment of candor NASA admitted that such "peanuts"  are mysteries. Mission scientist and member of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Donald Yeomans, explained, "It's a major mystery how two objects each the size of skyscrapers could collide without blowing each other to smithereens. This is especially puzzling in a region of the solar system where gravitational forces would normally involve collision speeds of [4,500 mph]." All scientists work for Walt Brown!

* 2018 Photo of Another Flying Rockpile Asteroid: All scientists work for Walt Brown, including in Japan! The Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency landed two small rovers on the asteroid Ryugyu on Sept. 21, 2018 and found yet another HPT-compliant flying rockpile!

Ryugyu asteroid flying rockpile courtesy of the Japanese space program, 9-21-2018

* And here's Asteroid Bennu: Another HPT-compliant flying pile of rubble...
 Asteroid Bennu, another HPT-compliant flying pile of rubble

* NASA on the Yarkovsky Effect: [Sept. 2019 update.] From the 2-minute interview of NASA's meteor specialist Helena Bates by London's NHM. "Most of the asteroids in our solar system... are between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter but there are a number of them near, what we call, Near Earth Space." On predicting the orbits of asteroids, "the problem with very small bodies are that they're affected by things that we didn't initially assume that they would be affected by. And one is the effect of the Sun which is called the Yarkovsky effect. [T]he Sun heats up one side... and then as [the body] rotates that side will begin to face away from the Sun and will radiate that heat outwards. That basically acts like a small thruster to push the asteroid into a slightly different orbit." And because meteoroids and asteroids can have varying composition, it's "really hard to predict the effect of the Sun."

* Thanks to an RSR Volunteer: RSR thanks one of our volunteer researchers for transcribing the JPG image of John Buchanan's 1905 Letter to the Editor. The image and transcription of the insightful, anti-evolution letter are over at

* Today's Resources: Check out RSR's Global Flood & Hydroplate Theory video (on DVD, Blu-ray, or download). And you can enjoy the 6-disc standard audio CD set The Hydroplate Theory & Dr. Walt Brown on the Air or get the entire set on a single MP3 CD, both of which contain eleven radio programs. Bob Enyart also highly recommends Dr. Walt Brown's fabulous book, In the Beginning! Order by clicking the link, or calling us at 800-8Enyart (800 836-9278)!

RSR: A Horse is a Horse Of Course

Smallest horse* A Horse is a Horse Of Course Of Course: Bob Enyart blindsides :) his co-host Fred Williams with topics from the great January - March issue of Creation magazine. Fred has a fun time on this episode of Real Science Radio addressing:
 - The full-grown tallest and smallest horses (6.5 vs. 1.5 ft) did not evolve from one another
 - The balanced birth ratio of boys and girls argues against polygamy
 -  Google maps helps identify 200-mile wide flood debris patterns
 -  Non sequitur from former atheist Carl Sagan: The earth is insignificant so be kind
 -  White blood cells have millipede-like legs that sense and move to infections
 -  10-year old girl has full vision with half a brain, indicating design and not 'selection'
 -  Ancient lava flow from global catastrophe equaled MSH x 500,000 (Mt St Helens * .5M)
 -  Evolutionists: Darwin was wrong about the appendix, so CORRECT the textbooks already
 -  "Preponderance of scientific evidence:" kids raised without religion believe in creation

Energy Order of the Universe Pt 2

* Real Science Radio on the Energy Order of the Universe: Fred Williams and Bob Enyart conclude their discussion arising from the fascinating article in the Fall 2009 Creation Research Society Quarterly by James Powell regarding the energy burned by stars throughout the universe and what that says about the original creation. Also the guys talk about two entropy errors introduced by the beloved Dr. Henry Morris on the energy burned by stars throughout the universe. Consider also Bob Enyart's debate on Entropy & Evolution debate! And see Part I of this important discussion.

* As Quoted in Bob's E & E Debate: Timothy R. Stout, B.S. in physics from UCLA and a patent holder with 30 years of design engineering experience:

So, how do evolutionists… get around the problem of information entropy? … They treat entropy as an independent entity which can be transferred between its different forms. Thus a decrease in entropy associated with a fuel source is equated to the organization present in an information-driven system such as a [living] cell. In other words, thermodynamic entropy is assumed to be convertible into information entropy. … Entropy related to heat engines has nothing to do with entropy related to a Mozart symphony or to an information sequence.

RSR: The Energy Order of the Universe

* Real Science Radio on the Energy Order of the Universe: Fred Williams and Bob Enyart discuss a fascinating article in the Fall 2009 Creation Research Society Quarterly by James Powell on the energy burned by stars throughout the universe and what that says about the original creation.

* A long-time BELism: Speaking of the first and second laws of thermodynamics... A rock can't make itself from nothing and a fire can't burn forever so the universe had to be created in the recent past.

* Entropy Debate & Morris Errors: Bob and Fred talk about two entropy errors introduced by the beloved Dr. Henry Morris regarding entropy (including therefore about the energy burned by stars throughout the universe). In Bob Enyart's debate on Entropy & Evolution, he begins by listing these two errors from Dr. Morris and his Institute for Creation Research:

Morris Error 1: Henry Morris wrongly stated that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics resulted from the Fall (Morris, Biblical Basis for Modern Science 1984, pp. 195-197; copied by countless others), as though a cup of hot cocoa would not have cooled down if left to sit in the Garden; and as though an oven could have continue to burn its fuel forever; etc. (For Bible students: "the Tree of Life" had the same purpose in the initial creation as it does in the New Creation; God put it in Eden, and later transferred the Tree of Life to heaven, to deal with the effects of entropy on the human body, so that "the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Rev. 22:2; Gen. 2:9, 16; 3:22). [Update: A article on a visit to ICR's museum reports that the following quote appears as part of their 2nd Law of Thermodynamics exhibit, "The universal Second Law is the scientific reflection of God's curse on His created world because of sin." This is rejected by the belief that the Second Law was operational from the beginning of the creation.

Morris Error 2: Henry Morris (even though he began his work in the early decades after Bell Laboratories' discovery of information entropy, and it's parallel to thermodynamic entropy, still) should not have used the term Entropy as a synonym for the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics without much clarification. Entropy is NOT a manifestation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is not. The reverse is true. The 2nd law is a manifestation of entropy.

RSR: Nat'l Cancer Inst. Researcher Admits ABC Link

Bob Enyart and Doug McBurney discuss today's news headlines (see below) including:

National Cancer Institute Researcher Admits Abortion/Breast Cancer Link!

This is a very Special Edition of Real Science Radio!

Abortion breast cancer link* NCI Senior Researcher Louise A. Brinton Reverses Herself: Brinton, largely responsible for getting the government-funded National Cancer Institute to deny the abortion-breast cancer link, has co-authored a new study which describes significant risk factors, including "induced abortion." The study also says that these risk factors are "consistent with the effects observed in previous studies on younger women." Endocrinologist Dr. Joel Brind of NYC's Baruch College joins Bob Enyart and Doug McBurney toward the end of the program to discuss this dramatic development! Also, hear about the 320% increase in risk for women taking the birth control pill to develop TNBC, Triple Negative Breast Cancer, a particularly aggressive and treatment-resistant cancer. Learn more at Update: Further, while the U.S. study shows that abortion is the "best predictor of breast cancer" two more studies, now from China and Turkey, also show the link between breast cancer and abortion.