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Welcome to Real Science Radio: Co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams talk about science to debunk evolution and to show the evidence for the creator God including from biology, genetics, geology, history, paleontology, archaeology, astronomy, philosophy, cosmology, math, and physics. (For example, mutations will give you bad legs long before you'd get good wings.) We get to debate Darwinists and atheists like Lawrence Krauss, AronRa, and Eugenie Scott. We easily take potshots from popular evolutionists like PZ Myers, Phil Plait, and Jerry Coyne. We're the home of the popular List Shows! And we interview the outstanding scientists who dare to challenge today's accepted creed that nothing created everything.

RSR's List of Evidence for the Exodus Pt. 3

*israel-tour-enyart.jpg Historical Evidence for the Exodus: Co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams continue their series on the historical evidence for Israel's sojourn in and their exodus from the land of Egypt. RSR previously interviewed filmmaker Timothy Mahoney on his fabulous Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus which is available everywhere including at our KGOV Store and at For RSR's list Bob and Fred also depend on the work of Brad Sparks who organized a recent scholarly Exodus Conference at the University of California, San Diego.

* Parts 1 – 8 and the Written List:
- Part 1 and the list both at
- Part 2
- Part 3 (this program)
- Part 4
- Part 5
Part 6 Ipuwer 1
Part 7 Ipuwer 2
Part 8.

* Today's Resources: All available from our, the guys recommend:
- Mahoney's stunningly beautiful Patterns of Evidence 
- Enyart's Mount Moriah: Evidence for the Resurrection
- and Bob's Bible Tour of Israel.
The BEL videos are far (far, far, far :) from the production quality of Tim's superb work. But like his Patterns, they too are chock full of important and fascinating information corroborating the historicity of the Scriptures!

RSR's List of Evidence for the Exodus Pt 2

* Historical Evidence for the Exodus: Co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams continue their series on the historical evidence for Israel's sojourn in and their exodus from the land of Egypt. RSR previously interviewed filmmaker Timothy Mahoney on his fabulous Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus which is available everywhere including at our KGOV Store and at For RSR's list Bob and Fred also depend on the work of Brad Sparks who organized a recent scholarly Exodus Conference at the University of California, San Diego.

Evidence for the Exodus

* RSR's List of Historical Evidence for the Exodus: Bob Enyart and Fred Williams present a new Real Science Radio series in their popular and fun List Shows format, this one on the historical evidence for Israel's sojourn in and their exodus from the land of Egypt. RSR previously interviewed filmmaker Timothy Mahoney on his fabulous Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus, available at our KGOV Store and at Bob and Fred also use the work of Brad Sparks who organized a recent scholarly Exodus Conference at the University of California, San Diego. (Here's Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, and a Bonus: the astounding genetic mummy evidence!)

* List of Evidence for the Exodus: This list is no substitute for the work of Mahoney and Sparks so we highly recommend the Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus film and Sparks' paper (and others) in Israel's Exodus in Transdisciplinary Perspective. And in our own RSR style, we have supplemented materials from Mahoney and Sparks with other generally available information.

Chilperic Edwards translator of Hammurabi's Code 1904The Hebrews gave the word "Pharaoh" to the world: The etymology of the word Pharaoh looks back to the term for the palace of Egypt's king. Chilperic Edwards, one of the first scholars to translate the Code of Hammurabi, stated regarding the non-Egyptian origin of the title of their monarch: "Pharaoh was the name given by Hebrew writers to the king of Egypt." Most Egyptologists reject the historical basis for the Exodus, discounting any significant role for Abraham's descendants in Egypt. Yet language itself, one of the greatest of world treasures, is perhaps our most important historical monument. Thus, Israel's role in Egypt can be rediscovered by recognizing that the Jews gave to the world the Hebrew word Pharaoh, a word that eventually attained to common usage even by the ancient Egyptians themselves. For more regarding the title Pharaoh being Jewish while the name Moses is Egyptian, see

The next item in this list is hardest to understand,
but understanding it enables consideration of much of the rest. 

Nope: Franklin, Finkelstein

Exodus didn't happen in the 13th century BC: Great! Almost everyone agrees, from all secular Egyptologists who reject the Exodus outright to many biblical literalists, these agree that the Exodus did not happen in the 13th century BC or, for that matter, at any time in Egypt's New Kingdom period. Tim Mahoney's Patterns of Evidence film highlights the primary argument used by archaeologists, like Norma Franklin and Israel Finkelstein, to dismiss the evidence for any Israelite presence in ancient Egypt. Dennis Prager has given his assessment of their argument and here's Bob Enyart's summary: "The Exodus never happened, but when it never happened was in the 13th century BC." In fact, 1270 BC is the exact date that many say that the Exodus didn't happen! This non-sequitur concludes then that "Israel's origin" arises from "Palestine from approximately 1300 to 1000 BC." Why? Because of the date of an Exodus which never happened. However, if the Exodus occurred earlier, closer to 1500 BC, even if it left behind the mountain of evidence documented in Mahoney's film and elsewhere, the "13th-century argument" (aka the Ramesses Exodus Theory) prejudices experts and excludes much hard evidence even from consideration.

* Archaeologists conflate the name of "Ramses" with the date of building: Exodus 1:11 says that the Jews "built for Pharaoh supply cities, Pithom and Ramses", which may have housed public granaries. Secular Egyptologists are conflating the naming of this city with the date of the first construction at that location. This argues for consideration of Mahoney's work because it is by this conflation that evidence of the Hebrews in centuries before Ramses II, who built Pi-Ramsees, is systematically rejected. (Pithom and Ramses may be the storage facilities of Pi-Ramses.) To illustrate such an error, consider the Google search for: when was New York City founded...

new-york-city-founded-WHEN.jpg* New York City wasn't New York City until later: NYC wasn't "named" "New York" until 1664. "York" is a British name and when the Dutch founded the settlement in 1624 in the region they called "New Netherland", they soon constructed "Fort Amsterdam" and named the island "New Amsterdam". Four decades later the King of England granted the land to the "Duke of York" and it became New York. Google's date for the city's founding, consistent with countless other references, is considered valid even though "New York City" did not exist in 1624. (Istanbul was founded centuries before Christ as Byzantium, yet it's most common name was Constantinople from 330 A.D. until 1922.) It is so common that we often don't even think of it as anachronistic to use the current name for something even when referencing a time before that name came into use. Jesus and the New Testament writers attributed the Pentateuch, the first five books of Scripture, to Moses (Acts 15:1 w Gen. 17; Mark 12:26, etc.) When writing Genesis, years after those events had occurred, naturally, Moses sometimes referred to God as YHWH, even though those events occurred long before he learned God's name in Exodus. In the same way, Genesis mentions the land of Ramses.

* An ancient city known to be built by Semites was absorbed into Ramses: Significant excavation has been accomplished at a Semite city called Avaris. What was found is presented in the Exodus film Patterns of Evidence and summarized in the bullets just below. It is therefore of interest, as reported even by Wikipedia, that, "Avaris was absorbed into the new city of Pi-Ramesses constructed by Ramesses II (1279–1213 BC)..." Thus there is a known Semite association with the building of the early settlement beneath Ramesses. This relatively new information could explain the "Ramesses" anachronism and therefore should caution archaeologists against dismissing all patterns of evidence for the Exodus excavated at that location simply on the claim that such evidence belongs to a date prior to Pharaoh Ramses II.

Egyptologist Manfred Bietak

Avaris in Goshen in Egypt's Nile delta was home to Semite population: Excavating the 15th-century BC Avaris, from beneath the southern sector of the 13th-century city of Ramses, Egyptologist Manfred Bietak has uncovered a large city, built on more than 600 acres, with residents who were Semites. (Bietak believes these Semites could not have been Israelites because the Exodus did not happen in the 13th-century BC.)

- Houses in Avaris were of foreign design: A significant percentage of the residences in Avaris were unlike Egyptian dwellings and distinctly built like the houses of northern Syria. The ground beneath some of these houses was used to bury their dead, which was a practice from Ur of the Chaldees, the place of Abraham's birth. 

Avaris became a major city of foreigners: Through thirty years of fieldwork in Egypt's delta and uncovering one of the largest cities in the ancient world, Bietak estimates the population of the "huge town" of Avaris as between 25 and 30 thousand foreigners, "people who originated from Canaan Syria-Palestine". He adds, "Obviously, this town enjoyed something like a special status, like a free zone, something like that." Egyptologists have also noted that the prosperous Semitic residents of Avaris themselves owned no slaves. (Remember that Hebrews are one of the Semite people groups as the term anti-Semite sadly reminds us.)

Scientist from "Is Genesis History?" film on RSR

Is Genesis History? discs* Genesis Is History: Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews geneticist Dr. Rob Carter about his role in the Fathom Event movie, "Is Genesis History?" that just screened in theaters nationwide. The DVD & Blu-ray begins shipping April 11th, God willing! Bob and some brand new friends, RSR listeners, were among the audiences that gathered in nearly 700 theaters to enjoy "Genesis". On today's program, Rob Carter unravels the DNA molecule revealing the necessary top-down design of genetic information showing why a genome could not have originated one small undirected step at a time, but had to be planned from the outset.

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* About Dr. Carter: With Creation Ministries International (, Rob Carter spent several years teaching high school biology, chemistry, physics and electronics before venturing off to the University of Miami, where he earned a Ph.D. in marine biology. He is one of the 15 Ph.D. scientists in Evolution’s Achilles’ Heels and one of the scholars in The Voyage that Shook the World, a docudrama that traces Darwin's journey from England, to South America and the Galapagos islands. And don't forget the magazine! Dr. Carter is also a contributor to what is RSR's most-oft recommended creation periodical, Creation magazine available at!  

Dr. Rob Carter photo
Rob Carter Ph.D.

* RSR Rob Carter Interviews and Related Resources: Just click on over to to find all things Rob Carter here on Real Science Radio, or peruse this list to enjoy something that should absolutely amaze you...

RSR's List of Earth's Collapsing "Ancient" Features

Related Story: Four days after this RSR program aired, the European Space Agency
announced that they had filmed an actual landslide on Comet 67P,
an allegedly four billion year-old flying pile of rounded boulders and ice,
yet another phenomenon for our List of the Solar System's Transient Events.

* Dozens of Recently Fallen Geological Attractions: Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams present a list of dozens of notable geologic features, many of them claimed to have formed over hundreds of thousands or millions of years, which have recently collapsed. However, if Earth's geological tourist attractions of structures like spires and arches actually were that old, then mathematically, we would not expect to see gravity destroying so many of them so rapidly. The old-earth model and its rejection of the global flood is challenged by the observation that on average over the past half century, more than one collapse of a notable arch or other geological attraction occurs per year, without anything like an offsetting replacement formation rate of new gravity-defying attractions. Thus these thousands of known geological features were formed by an intensity of geological processes not at work today and the population of them, far from being steady, is dwindling.

1500 - 2017 A.D.

* List of Earth's Collapsing "Ancient" Features: We thank Creation magazine and David Catchpoole for assembling his list which then became the beginning of our own. So welcome to RSR's newest list, which is a subset of our List of the Transient Events in the Solar System. Thus, here's our list of the collapsed notable arches, etc. with no similar number of offsetting arches forming.
- Eye of the Needle on the Missouri River in Montana, the famous Lewis and Clark arch, first documented in 1805, which collapsed evidently from natural causes in 2002.
- Malta's Azure Window, the picturesque limestone arch on the famed Mediterranean island, is no longer as of March 7, 2017. Unlike many of the other formations in this list, an ancient heritage is not claimed for the Azure Window, but instead, that if formed a mere 500 years ago. (And still standing are 26 more arches on Malta's islands including the nearby Wied il-Mielah "Window".)
- London Bridge in South Australia was a natural arch formation on the coast that, since 1990, is no longer.

Real Science Radio Interviews Bestselling Author of Gosnell

Bob Enyart in show prep

* America's Most Prolific Serial Killer: RSR host Bob Enyart interviews Phelim McAleer, co-author with his wife Ann McElhinney, of Gosnell: The untold story of America's most prolific serial killer, about Philadelphia's abortionist Kermit Gosnell. As a spokesman for American Right To Life and a 25-year talk radio host, Enyart brings a unique perspective to the interview. Bob was thankful when McAller described the horror, not only of Gosnell's "bad" abortions but even of the 40,000 "good" abortions committed by one of the witnesses at Gosnell's trial, which testimony caused even the urban "pro-choice" jury to gasp. Bob also appreciated McAller's willingness to describe Gosnell's abortion mill as an indicator of what the abortion industry itself is like.

* Bob's 2-minute Contribution: Bob Enyart and RSR producer Larry Wolfe contributed to the viral undercover abortion videos phenomenon with this...

Cold-Case Detective Finds an Intruder in the Universe

Det. J. Warner Wallace

* Cold-case detective on RSR: Bob Enyart interviews J. Warner Wallace, cold-case homicide detective and adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola University about his books, God's Crime Scene and Cold-Case Christianity. Det. Wallace applies crime scene investigation techniques to the universe to determine if God is the most reasonable inference for the evidence.

* Forensic science is a type of historical science: Not unlike Det. Wallace, Real Science Radio applies the concept of forensic investigation to the study of the universe and thus beyond its customary criminal context. On a related matter, C.S. Lewis in Christian Reflections, pg. 77, wrote that, "If popular thought feels ‘science’ to be different from all other kinds of knowledge because science is experimentally verifiable, popular thought is mistaken. Experimental verification is not a new kind of assurance coming in to supply the deficiencies of mere logic. We should therefore abandon the distinction between scientific and non-scientific thought. The proper distinction is between logical and non-logical thought." Likewise, RSR notes a gradual broadening of the concept of forensics to include the use of scientific investigation to determine what events may have occurred in the past, whether criminal or not. (Examples include the "forensic investigation" of meteorites, soil engineeringEgyptian mummies, wetlandsfossilsplate tectonics, disastersNeanderthals, American historyall history, and supernovae.)

* The interview's unexpected development: An unexpected development in the interview occurred when Wallace, a defender of America's criminal justice system, and Bob Enyart, an outspoken critic, disagreed with each other over Bob's widely quoted assessment that, "It's no longer a justice system, now it's just a system." With Det. Wallace praising the jury system, Bob referred to it as "justice by committee" and pointed out that juries provide zero accountability, even when evidently guilty murderers are freed to commit more crime, for they are staffed by essentially anonymous individuals who immediately disband after rendering their verdict. The guys did agree, however, that, biblically speaking, the two or three witnesses necessary for a conviction do not need to be eyewitnesses (physical and circumstantial evidence can do just fine). But then, briefly, they disagreed on the ubiquitous claim that America has "the best system in the world."

RSR's List of List Shows Pt. 2

Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams conclude their discussion (see Part 1) of the astounding scientific discoveries and evidence that fill their popular list shows, such as their List of Not So Old Things, their List of Fine Tuning Evidence, and their List of Creation Science Predictions. The guys mention about 20 list shows and 10 more in the planning stages and ask for input on ideas and priorities from the audience.

RSR's List of List Shows

Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams talk through the astounding scientific discoveries and evidence that fill their popular list shows, such as their List of Not So Old Things, their List of Fine Tuning Evidence, and their List of Creation Science Predictions. The guys mention about 20 list shows and 10 more in the planning stages and ask for input on ideas and priorities from the audience.

The Targeted Antibody Cancer Treatment Revolution

RSR Interviews an Antibodies CEO
And Regularly Updates this Survey of the Field (below)

The mainstream media should be running weekly headlines
updating the public on the latest progress with targeted antibody treatment.
For some reason though, for now, if you want to keep up with the latest astounding
cancer treatment developments, you'll have to keep tuning in to BEL and Real Science Radio!

Photo of a "living drug": targeted antibodies for childhood lukemia
Living Drug: Targeted Antibodies for Childhood Leukemia

* June 2018 Update: Florida woman cured of advanced breast cancer. See the BBC's report on the U.S. National Cancer Institute's amazing success with Judy Perkins, given three months to live and now recovered!

* Targeted Antibodies Cancer Treatment Revolution: Among the stunning results for targeted antibodies cancer treatment, CBS News reported on 35 terminally-ill advanced-stage leukemia sufferers. The disease went into remission in 94%, or 33 of 35 patients. Dr. Michael Grossbard, New York University's Perlmutter Cancer Center leukemia specialist told CBS News, "Oncologists are reluctant to use the word extraordinary. But these [results] are extraordinary. These are really remarkable findings..."

* FDA Approval: The FDA has approved Novartis' Kymriah to treat children with acute leukemia. Because various methods of cancer immunotherapy exist, the media and even the FDA itself will claim one or another of these early immunotherapy drugs (see below for those already approved in the U.S.) as a "first". Methods include checkpoint inhibitors and the actual modification of antibodies. See below for more. But first, there's this, right up the street from RSR's studio...

12-year-old Colorado girl's stunning before and after cancer treatment scans* ArcherDX in Boulder, Colorado: ArcherDX spearheaded the effort to extend the life of 12-year old Zaida. Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews Archer's CEO Jason Myers to discuss Zaida's case and to get a better understanding both of this revolution in cancer treatment and of how targeted immunotherapy works. Studies in the U.S. and the U.K. are seeing hundreds of patients with many types of cancer virtually "cured", as some oncologists are now putting it. Not every patient though responds well, and some few have even died from the treatment. Update: Sadly, Zaida herself passed away on March 10, 2017 and while RSR would like to learn the specific cause, of course the family's privacy desires comes first. Overall though, the widespread success is stunning. ArcherDX provides the technology so that a patient's doctor can find out quickly what specific mutations may be causing the cancer. Now, a growing number of oncologists will be offering their patients the greatest of hope through individualized treatment that, like an archer aiming at a target, just might hit the bullseye. Online at, this next-generation sequencing (NGS) firm develops what is called target enrichment chemistry.

* Cancers Already Being Successfully Treated: People suffer from more than 100 major types of cancer. And while antibody treatment has resulted in some relatively rare autoimmune or other negative and even lethal side effects, the much more common positive treatment experiences range in degree, from stopping further tumor growth, to actually shrinking tumors, to major remission, and even to apparent cure. The types of cancer already being successfully treated with immunotherapy, using either the inhibitor or the re-targeting approach, include:
- Lung cancer (non-small cell with 30-50% response rates as of Feb. 2017)
- Childhood leukemia / leukemia
- Hodgkin lymphoma
- Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
- Lymph node cancer
- Melanoma skin cancer (Sept. 2018 update)
- Kidney (r
enal cell) carcinoma
- Bladder (urothelial) cancer
- Head cancers
- Neck cancers

(Please don't hesitate to email updates to this list to

* Targeted Antibodies Trials, Success Stories, News, and RSR Broadcasts: The public awareness of the current revolution is cancer antibody treatment should explode from the 2015 to the end of 2017. As with all medicines, patients respond with great variability. However, the following results and ongoing trials though are greatly encouraging: