"He who hates correction is stupid." Proverbs 12:1
* Intelligence Breakdown: An article published in the scientific journal Trends in Genetics explores the incontrovertible breakdown in human intelligence that has been observed. Listen in as the article’s author and the reporter writing about it miss the obvious connection to the biblical account of the Fall, and instead look for every other excuse to explain the phenomenon.
* CORRECTION from Bob Enyart: "I said God's mercy will not endure for ever when I meant to say that His patience with unbelievers will not last forever. I'm thankful to Bill from Brush Colorado for alerting me to that misstatement in the final minute of today's program. Doug McBurney had asked me if God takes into account people's intellectual dysfunction in postponing judgment. I responded that even though I am not nearly as merciful as God is, yet even I realize and extend a degree of mercy to sinful people who, for example, have destroyed billions of brains cells with crack, pot, alcohol, etc. However, while for those who have repented, God's "mercy endures forever," (Psalm 136:1-26), His patience with the wicked is eventually exhausted and He does punish them in His wrath and fury, as for example, when God killed the firstborn of every Egyptian family (Ps. 136:10) from Pharaoh to the poorest household, and when He killed the kings of Bashan and the Amorites and drowned countless Egyptian soldiers (Psalm 136:15-20). Thus, killing the wicked and sending them to Hell was one of the ways that God manifests His mercy to those who love Him. For God will not allow the wicked to turn heaven into hell. And because Hell is forever (see the teachings of Jesus Christ), for that reason and for others, His mercy shall endure forever. And see also below excerpts from Bill and Bob's email exchange.
* The Disgusting Darren: Bob and co-host Doug McBurney report on the latest effort to “normalize” immorality as comedian / magician Darren Smith touts his latest “trick” to turn a homo straight, and vice versa.
Today’s Resources: Get the Spike Psarris DVD What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy and Vol. II, Our Created Stars and Galaxies! Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown’s In the Beginning and Bob’s interviews with this great scientist in The Hydroplate Theory on a set of audio CDs or a single MP3 CD or download! You’ll also love Dr. Carl Werner's Grand Experiment and Living Fossils DVDs and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park that EVERY child and grandchild should have the pleasure of enjoying!
* Our 2013 Real Science Radio "LIST" Shows: Starting with last month's List of Not So Old Things, through to our November List of the Fine Tuning of the Universe, we're looking forward to continuing our tradition of annual shows, including:
January: List of Not So Old Things
March: List of Evidence Contradicting the Big Bang
May: List of Peer-reviewed Dino Soft Tissue Papers
July: List of Genomes that Just Don't Fit
Sept: List of Scholars Doubting Darwinism and the Big Bang
Nov: List of the Fine Tuning of the Universe
Another? If you have a suggestion for another RSR LIST show, please forward it to Bob@RealScienceRadio.com. Thanks!
* Bill and Bob's Excellent Exchange
Forwarded conversation
Subject: [Bob Enyart] Febr 27, 2013 statement
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From: <****@msn.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:09 PM
To: bob@kgov.com
Bill **** sent a message using the contact form at http://kgov.com/sharin.
I only caught the last 4 or 5 minutes of today's program. But, unmistakeably, you said, "God's Mercy does not last forever".
This is in reference to something you were saying about smoking pot.
Anyhow, it is a lie from Hell. Psalms 136 contradicts you. What if some pot smoker was listening, as I was at the last minute and heard that? What a misrepresentation of the Word of God, the Intention of God. That God's Mercy lasts forever is the subject of the Book.
Rather, you should have said, Bob Enyart's mercy does not live forever.
You have to correct this. This is so far from prayerful Truth. You must correct this on air.
-Bill ****
Brush, Colorado
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From: Bob Enyart <Bob@kgov.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:17 PM
To: ****
Hi Bill, thanks for writing. Certainly, if I misrepresent God, I want to correct that. I meant to say patience, but I... misspoke.
Of course though, as you said, there is a"pit of hell." [slightly reworded:] Why is there such a place? Because while there is still the offer of salvation to unbelievers, God's patience with those who hate Him is for them 'mercy'. However, eventually, God says that "there will be no more delay" before He pours out His wrath on those who dwell on the Earth.
For He is "slow to anger", but He does eventually come to anger, and judges those who hate Him if they don't accept His offer of forgiveness.
Again, thanks Bill,
-Bob E.
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From: Bill ****
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:28 PM
To: bob@kgov.com
In Truth, we REALLY do not know why there is such a place as a "pit of hell". It is God's choice. He has chosen to tell me that His Mercy Endures, Forever. That is what it says. All the rest is just mincing of words. THE WORD is plain. I will leave judgement of others to God's Mercy. My own judgement is reserved for my own actions, the intent of my own heart.
When God does what he does, when he does it is reserved for Him, alone. I don't meddle with that. I, too, read of the pouring out of His wrath. I read about beasts and horns and heads and know that they mean specific things, but I do not teach them, I do not worry others with them. My commission is about the Great Love of God. Occasionally, when I have spoken about His judgement with others, it probably has been because I was convinced the other person was lying to God and felt the need to warn him/her about the consequences.
Those who hate God readily admit that hell is their home. Those who tell God how much they love him, yet hate their brother are the ones that Jesus reviled. I personally have nothing at all to say to those who hate God. I have quite a bit to say to those who lie to God, and to me about their love for God who do not at all love him, but burn with anger, with hatred, with lust, with whatever drives them. Some may be reachable, I think that is What Jesus is all about, reaching them.
-Bill ****
Brush, Colorado
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:17:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Bob Enyart] Febr 27, 2013 statement
From: Bob@KGOV.com
To: ****
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From: Bob Enyart <Bob@kgov.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM
To: Bill ****
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Bill **** wrote:
In Truth, we REALLY do not know why there is such a place as a "pit of hell". It is God's choice. He has chosen to tell me that His Mercy Endures, Forever. That is what it says. All the rest is just mincing of words. THE WORD is plain. I will leave judgement of others to God's Mercy. My own judgement is reserved for my own actions, the intent of my own heart.
When God does what he does, when he does it is reserved for Him, alone. I don't meddle with that. I, too, read of the pouring out of His wrath. I read about beasts and horns and heads and know that they mean specific things, but I do not teach them, I do not worry others with them. My commission is about the Great Love of God. Occasionally, when I have spoken about His judgement with others, it probably has been because I was convinced the other person was lying to God and felt the need to warn him/her about the consequences.
Those who hate God readily admit that hell is their home. Those who tell God how much they love him, yet hate their brother are the ones that Jesus reviled. I personally have nothing at all to say to those who hate God. I have quite a bit to say to those who lie to God, and to me about their love for God who do not at all love him, but burn with anger, with hatred, with lust, with whatever drives them. Some may be reachable, I think that is What Jesus is all about, reaching them.
-Bill ****
Brush, Colorado
From: Bob Enyart
Hello again Bill! As I think about the issues you raise, many Bible verses flood to mind. Here's a few of them:
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? 1 Cor. 6:2-3
So it seems to me Bill that the Judge of all the world delegates judgment to His people.
As God said, for then and apparently for now, believers should "judge... according to My judgments" (Ezek. 44:24).
It seems that at Great White Throne Judgement, God commits judgment into the hands of at least some of His obedient servants, as we read in Rev. 20:4:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus..."
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, taught that "the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment on all" Jude 14-15.Jesus too said, "The men of Nineveh will rise in the judgment with this generation and condemn it..." Mat. 12:41. Notice, the men will do that.
And Solomon wrote of a righteously jealous husband who is not unlike God, being a jealous God for He doesn't want to share us with a false idol, just as a godly man doesn't want to share his wife with a seductive neighbor. "Jealously is a husband's fury; therefore, he will not spare [the adulterer] in the day of vengeance. He will accept no recompense nor will he be appeased..." (Prov. 6:34-35). In other words such a husband will say to his neighbor on Judgment Day, "You seduced with my wife, and because you never asked me, nor God, for forgiveness, now you will be punished."
Another fascinating passage that I never understood until my wife Cheryl explained it to me is, "Some men's sins are clearly evident, preceding them to judgment, but those of some men follow later." 1 Tim. 5:24 The idea, apparently, is similar to: "your reputation precedes you," whereas for God, He sees and knows everyone's sin long before the judgment, for us mere humans, we know of the sins of some people (like Hitler, etc.), but the sins of others will become evident to us only after Judgment Day begins, when God publicizes them, as Jesus said, metaphorically, they will be shouted from the housetops.
God gives the responsibility for vengeance, condemnation and judgment to His servants for "every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord..." (Isa. 54:17).
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Rev 21:8 "...the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Also Bill, it seems that the Old Testament, Paul's Epistles, and the Book of Acts have relatively little to say about the severity of the punishment of hell. On the other hand, most of the harshest warnings of what hell will be like come directly from Jesus Christ Himself, especially in the Gospels.
Thanks again for helping me think through these things.
-Bob Enyart
KGOV.com