* About this Interview and on this Page: We a'e eagerly looking forward to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but that should not make us vulnerable to fake news, even Christian fake news, and confused Bible teaching...
- Rejecting The Harbinger's Claim of Divine Signs (far below)
- Leading End Times Preachers All Dyin' of Old Age (just below)
- List of the Erroneous Calculated Dates
- Last Days vs. Last Minutes
- The Timing of Christ's Return has Changed
And related BEL Resources:
- Debunking the Blood Moon Claims with a Creationist Astronomer
- Bob Schedules Meet with End Times Preacher 9/24/17 (after predicted rapture)
- BEL Y2K Survival Kit Cuts Power to House (so our wives don't think that were nuts)
- Two Decades After 9/11 End Times Predictions Still Pending
- Bob Enyart's End Times Seminar filmed four days after 9/11 to a live and "still here" audience!

* 2016 Update: If Christian brother Jonathan Cahn would have paid closer attention to Bob's comments in this interview, and had taken this written show summary to heart, he could have averted the embarrassment of his failed prophecy of economic collapse for 2015. Further, at rsr.org/blood-moons#rsr-vs-the-apocalypse-gurus we make our argument that while the predictions of the End Times gurus are systematically wrong, here at Bob Enyart Live and RSR our biblically-based general and science predictions have an uncanny way of being confirmed! 

This is a Special Edition of Real Science Radio.

* LIST OF LEADING END TIMES PREACHERS

* Leading End Times Preachers All Dyin' of Old Age:  The modern end-times movement really took off way back in the 1970s and 1980s. Did all the big-name end times teachers think that they would still be preaching in their 70s, 80s, and 90s, and as a group dying of old age? No, of course not. We discuss this in a series on BEL beginning on May 14th, 2018 for the 70th anniversary of the modern State of Israel. See specifically the program, How to turn perfectly good Scripture into bad predictions. We love these guys, and Bob personally (and literally) sat at the feet of Chuck Smith and Chuch Missler for scores of Bible studies. But clearly, their dying of old age indicates that they got something very wrong in their interpretation of the headlines and the Scriptures...  
- Tim LaHaye (90, 1926 - 2016, Left Behind Series)
- Chuck Smith (86, 1927 - 2013, founder, Calvary Chapel)
- Chuck Missler (83, 1934-2018, end times teacher)
- Harold Camping (92, 1921-2013, founder, Family Radio)
- Hal Lindsey (91, b. 1929, Late Great Planet Earth)
- Noah Hutchings (92, 1922-2015, six decades on Southwest Radio Church)
- Irvin Baxter (75, 1945-2020, Endtime Ministries) as described by B.E.
- John Hagee (81, b. 1940; recent error: Blood Moons)
- Jack Van Impe (88, 1931-2020; had celebrated his 60-year anniversary with Rexella; began in ministry in 1948 and as a preacher in 1952).

See Enyart discuss all this with WND readers. 

* 2020 Update:

* List of the Erroneous Calculated Dates: Here's an example of the never-ending, and so far, universally incorrect, calculating of end times dates by a Christian author, and then another example by the leader of the Jehovah's Witnesses...

* Remember When -- The Dates & The Headlines: Countless Christians were told that the following dates were significant because they represented end-times markers. Thousands of news headlines were misinterpreted prophetically to arrive at these erroneous dates. Of course the Lord will return one day, and hopefully, soon. But confused teachers used events and dates like these to confuse others.

- 1850 for the ascent of the Anti-Christ (calculated by London's protestant scholar Robert Fleming, V.D.M in 1701 by adding to 608 A.D. the "1260 days" of Revelation, converting each day to a year
- 1948 the nation of Israel is reconstituted in the Middle East
- 1957 European Common Market (ECM) established with six nations
- 1973 The ECM added three more nations, prophecy teachers added this up to Daniel's "ten toes"
- 1980 In the decade of the 80s, three more nations joined the ECM, still adding up to Daniel's ten toes
- 1993 The European Union (EU) was formed with 12 nations
- 1995 Ten Nation European Alliance (WEU) formed, claimed to be Daniel's 10-toed prophecy
- 2001 Islamic terrorist attack on America, claimed to represent the end times
- 2010 Ten Nation European WEU decides to disband claimed as major fulfillment of prophecy
- 2011 Ten Nation WEU officially disbands and absorbed into the EU
- 2016 The now 28-nation EU begins to unravel with the UK's Brexit and Italy's no-confidence vote
- 2020 With the U.K. officially out, the EU is down to 27 nations.

* Counting Backwards From 2020: It's been...
1,520 years since A.D. 500, the year when Irenaeus, et al, predicted that Jesus would return
1,220 years since A.D. 800, the year when Sextus Julius Africanus predicted Armageddon
1,020 years since A.D. 1000, the year when Pope Sylvester II, et al, predicted the beginning of the end
176 years since 1844 when the early 7th Day Adventists believed Christ would have returned
170 years since 1850 when Robert Fleming, writing in 1700 A.D., calculated the anti-Christ's reign
142 years since 1878 when Jehovah's Witnesses said would be the last year for the church on earth
116 years since 1914 when the Jehovah's Witnesses said it would be the end
99 years since 1921 when the JW's said millions now living will never die
84 years since 1936, the year when Herbert W. Armstrong predicted the end (updated to 1943, '72, '75)
72 years since 1948 when Israel became a nation again after World War II
63 years since 1957 when the European Common Market was Daniel's ten-nation alliance
39 years since 1981 when Chuck Smith, et al, taught the seven-year tribulation would begin
35 years since 1985, the year Lester Sumrall wrote about in his book, I Predict 1985
38 years since 1982, the year Pat Robertson predicted would be the end of the world 
32 years since 1988 a generate after Israel became a nation with 88 reasons for the Rapture in '88
26 years since 1994, the year that Harold Camping predicted would start the great tribulation
23 years since 1997, the year that Bishop James Ussher predicted would be the end of the world
20 years since 2000, when the Y2K bug was predicted to herald the end times, and when and Lester Sumrall predicted would be the end, and when Jerry Falwell predicted would see God's judgment.
19 years since 2001 when America was attacked on 9/11
13 years since 2007, the year Pat Robertson wrote in 1990 would be the end
6 years since 2014 when the blood moons were supposed to indicate the end times.

* Last Days vs. Last Minutes: Many years ago my call screener put through to me someone who told him that the diseases in the world were evidence of the Last Days. The guy, Jim from Columbus, Ohio asked me, "Bob, where do you stand on the Ebola virus?" I answered, "I'm against it." Looking at the news events listed above, when they occurred popular prophecy teachers claimed they represented end times prophecies. Well, it's been a long time since. The "end times" is a lot longer than any of them would have predicted. As we say at Denver Bible Church to those misinterpreting last-days prophecies, "From now only, will you only tell us about the Last Minutes?" Afterall, the most famous end-times teachers are all dying of old age and these last-days interpretations have been around for more than half a century.

* The Bible shows the Timing of Christ's Return has Changed: You can link directly to this section as kgov.com/second-coming-timing or kgov.com/second-coming-timing-has-changed. For most folks, before reading this list we recommend praying, "Lord, if Your Word clearly teaches something that I will tend to reject because it conflicts with some of my biases, please help me to be humble before You and willing to challenge my preexisting beliefs."
- God Views the End Times Calendar as Changeable: "I, the LORD, will hasten it in its time" Isa. 60:22
- Believers Can Change the Time of Christ's Return: Peter wrote that believers too should set about, "hastening the coming of the day of God" 2 Pet. 3:12
- Even the Length of the Tribulation will Change: Jesus said that, "those days will be shortened" Mat. 24:22
- Like God Shortening His Punishment of Israel: the Old Testament precedents for God shortening the coming Tribulation, include, "choose... seven years... Or... three months... Or... three days' plague..." And David said... "His mercies are great..." So the Lord heeded the prayers for the land, and the plague was withdrawn from Israel. 2 Sam. 24:12-17, 25
- For God Promised Mercy Regardless of Prophecy If...: "The instant I speak concerning a nation [Israel], to destroy it, if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will repent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it." Jer. 18:7-8 (see also a dozen more Category 1 verses like that one, including the next, about Nineveh)
- Again, Get This Down, God Promises Mercy Regardless of Prophecy If: "...forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown! [But then] they turned from their evil way; and God repented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it." Jonah 3:10
- Before You Get Through Israel's Villages: "...I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Mat. 10:23 (yet this did not happen, because as warned, God changed His plan for Israel; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- Some of You Won't Die Until: "there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Mat. 16:28 (this didn't refer to the Transfiguration which occurred about a day later; see too Mark 9 and Luke 9; yet they all did die, because God changed His plan for Israel, and grafted in the Gentiles; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- John Might Not Die Before: "Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, 'If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?'" John 21:23
- This Generation Won't Pass Until: "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." Mat. 24:34  (yet that generation did pass away, because God changed His plan for Israel and instead grafted in the Gentiles; Jer. 18:9-10; Rom. 11)
- Before Paul, Believers Sold their Homes: "all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need." Acts 4:34-35; 5:1-2 (this behavior, appropriate at the time, changed after Paul's Acts 9 conversion when God grafted in the Gentiles)
- Christ's Soon Return Permeated His Teachings: "Sell what you have and give alms" Luke 12:33; "And everyone who has left houses... or lands, for My name's sake..." Mat. 19:29. "...do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on" Luke 12:22. The "ravens... neither sow nor reap" yet "God feeds them" Luke 12:24. "He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff——no bag..." Mark 6:8. "Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your moneybelts..." Mat. 10:9. "Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and... come, follow Me" Luke 18:22. (yet He did not return soon, as He had warned that He may change His mind). And even that Jesus went about all Galilee preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" Mat. 4:23; 9:35; 24:14; Mark 1:14-15 and Jesus said, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel [of the kingdom]" Mark 1:15; Mat. 3:2; 4:17
- With Homes Sold, They Became Poor: Remember that "all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them... and they distributed to each as anyone had need." Acts 4:34-35; 5:1-2
- It Was the Converts of the Twelve Who Fell into Poverty:  1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15; Gal. 2:10; Rom. 15:25–31; Acts 11:27–30; 24:17 for communism quickly fails; the sale of pesonal property was to be a short-term tactic to survive the Tribulation and enter the Kingdom; the Postponement led to their poverty.
- Paul's Converts Kept Their Homes and Provided Relief: (The "apostle to the Gentiles" was able to raise relief from his converts) 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15; Gal. 2:10; Rom. 15:25–31; Acts 11:27–30; 24:17 to support the believers in Judea who fell into poverty; they hadn't immediately become poor after selling their property, but after the delay in Christ's previously-expected soon return 
- God Warned He may Not Give Israel their Kingdom as Prophesied: "And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will repent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it." Jer. 18:9-10 (see also Jer. 18:7-8; for God, unlike a juvenile judge, does not make empty threats)
- One Year Probation Followed Three-Year Earthly Ministry: "'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree [figuratively, Israel] and find none. Cut it down...' But he answered and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'" Luke 13:7-9
- Daniel's Seventieth Week Suspended: The prophet Daniel's 490-year prophecy (Dan. 9:24-27) of 483 years between the command to rebuild Jerusalem (by Artaxerxes Neh. 2:1-8) until the execution of the Messiah, followed by the next seven years that were to be the Great Tribulation (Mat. 24:15; Mark 13:14); but Israel rejected their resurrected Messiah so as God had warned (Jer. 18:9-10) He changed what He had prophesied for them by postponing both the tribulation and the Kingdom it would usher in.
- After the Cross Ten Signs of the Tribulation Were Evident: See chapter 9 of kgov.com/the-plot for details; in the year beginning with Christ's death the signs of the Great Tribulation that occurred included the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, signs and wonders, earthquakes, believers beaten by councils, the laying on of hands to imprison, arrests leading to occasion for testimony, martyrdom, expectation of an abbreviated end times and of the soon appearance of signs in the sun, moon, and stars, irresistible wisdom displayed.
- Fulfillment of Prophetic Seven Feasts of Israel Suspended: God ceased the apparent fulfillment of the Feasts of Israel on their very calendar days, for Jesus died on the day the Jews killed the Passover lamb; He was in the tomb during Unleavened Bread; raised on Firstfruits; gave the Holy Spirit on Pentecost; and He "tabernacled" among us (John 1:14, with the Greek saying not "dwelt" but "tabernacled"), likely fulfilling that feast; but the remaining two feasts including Trumpets are yet awaiting fulfillment, as God postponed His prophetic plan for Israel.   
- Jesus Hardly Spoke About the End Times Until Just Before the Cross: The apocalyptic Olivet Discourse happened when Jesus said to His disciples, "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified." Mat. 26:1-2
- God the Son Didn't Know the Timing: and neither did God the Holy Spirit but only the Father, for it is in His purview to decide when Jesus shall return. Just Google: open theism verses, and see Category 15, which includes the following:

The Holy Spirit, third person of the Godhead, did not know something that the Father knew, namely, the planned day and hour of the Second Coming Mark 13:32 and of course that lack of knowledge did not negate His divinity for the quantitative attribute of omniscience is not like the absolute qualitative attributes; likewise, no man, no angel, nor even the Son knew, for "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only" of the persons of the Godhead, with even the Second Person not knowing the timing of the Second Coming which was in the purview of the Father alone Mat. 24:36.

- Israel's End Times Signs Not Relevant Today: When the Lord temporarily set aside Israel's Kingdom and their covenant of circumcision and grafted in the Body of Christ with its covenant of grace (this is not replacement theology), God's new sign, so to speak, of the end of the Body of Christ's time on earth is the "fullness of the Gentiles", whatever He means by that, be it a billion believers to populate heaven, or the Gospel preached worldwide, or holiness within the Body, etc.; so that, when "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" then God will graft Israel back in again, "for God is able to graft them in again", and thereby resume the countdown on their end times calendar; Rom. 11:11-32.
- To Read More about the Changed Date of the Second Coming: Click to get a copy of Bob Enyart's life's work, The Plot: An Overview of the Bible is the Key to its Details and review the list of 33 Categories of more than 500 scriptures at opentheism.org/verses.

* Tonight on Denver's 7News: Bob Enyart said on 7News to Colorado's ABC audience that Christians who say that the death penalty is immoral are unwittingly accusing God the Father of being unjust, for He required a payment of death to pay for the sin of the world. We thank God for the opportunity to promote the principles of the Gospel on the nightly news! Please also see AmericanRTL.org/death-penalty. 

Now Back to the Harbinger:

* Enyart & Cahn Agree on the Theme of The Harbinger: Bob Enyart interviews Jonathan Cahn, the NY Times bestselling author of The Harbinger. Bob appreciates Cahn's warning to an America defiant of God but Enyart disagrees with Cahn's claim that 9/11 was a specific sign from God. See just below Bob's notes regarding his reasons for disagreeing with Jonathan Cahn's claims of a specific divine message in the events following the Attack on America.
 

* Rejecting The Harbinger's Claim of Divine Signs: (This is not meant to be harsh, for we love and appreciate Jonathan Cahn, and though airing a daily radio talk show, we don't want to be like David who became battle hardened; yet, this is meant to be direct.) The last nine minutes of audio on today's program were recorded twelve years ago at an End Times seminar conducted in Winona Lake, Indiana only four days after Sept. 11, 2001. Bob Enyart predicted that sincere Christian authors (who love and honor God and preach the Gospel) would find a Bible passage with a few uncanny similarities to 9/11, and so would claim that therefore Al Qaeda's attack on America was a sign from God. Consider Jonathan Cahn's few parallels (which get repeated often) from Isaiah 9:10 to 9/11 events. In the audio from September 2001, Bob Enyart illustrates how easy this is to claim fulfillment of a prophetic pattern when, compared to the Harbinger, he quoted more, and more significant, 9/11 parallels, not from Isaiah but from Revelation 17 and 18. As one small example, the greater parallel between Scripture and 9/11 is not a sycamore and a fir tree, but Washington DC and NYC debating the patent rights of murdered unborn children so that "the merchants of the earth" can buy and sell the "the bodies and souls of men." So Bob intentionally misinterpreted the Scriptures to show how easily (and even innocently) this is done, and while Cahn's parallels get to select from events over a period of years, Bob's many more prophetic parallels were all fulfilled on the very day of September 11th.

Harbinger Expert Critic says:
"Bob, I read your analysis this morning
and it was dead right on every point."
- David James, 3/24/13

The Internet hasn't existed for 2,700 years. Jonathan Cahn's nine harbingers are based on a quote in the Bible of men defiant against God, who, after suffering God's judgment, repeated in utter ignorance, "The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with hewn stone; the sycamores are cut down, but we will replace them with cedars" (Isaiah 9:10). If the web had been forever, a Google search would probably return countless pages recording, after attacks, utterances throughout Judeo-Christian history of that quote. About 18 minutes into the program, Jonathan Cahn says about Isaiah 9:10 and the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor that back then, "you don't have anyone quoting the Scripture of judgment." Perhaps, perhaps not. In the very center of the Internet's page of Pearl Harbor Quotes we read Isaiah 9:10, not in the NIV or NASB, because those versions were translated later, but in the King James Version.

Cahn chose to present his message in a book of fiction. Not unlike the folks who think Star Wars is real, for many readers, Cahn's literary device blurs the distinction between truth and fiction. The requisite suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy the elements of the story, a wary reporter, a surprised liaison, and an unnamed prophet with curious ancient seals, works to bias the reader who emerges from the novella into the real world lacking the desire to expend the mental energy necessary for an objective consideration of The Harbinger's theological claims.

* Christian, This Show Can Knock Your Socks Off: Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams present amazing Scripture passages and many common biblical phrases regarding God's relationship to time. Also, the guys point out that the things that the Bible repeatedly says about "time" is almost completely ignored, whereas most Christian theologians uncritically accept and repeat what pagan humanist philosophers have said about time. Go figure!

* This Topic Up-To-Date: Bob Enyart keeps this topic up-to-date in our article at rsr.org/time. 

* INITIAL FEEDBACK: Listeners who agree with today's program are telling us here at RSR that they love today's show. Of course, many listeners disagree, but we are hearing from some of the folks who disagree that they thought that we would be using humanist and an anti-physics arguments, but that they were surprised that our presentation from Scripture seemed substantive and that we certainly did not ignore the challenge from modern physics. Thank you to everyone who consider what Fred Williams and Bob Enyart have to offer on this foundational matter!

* Pagan Greek Philosophers Have Said that God Is:

- timeless,
- in an eternal now,
- not was, nor will be, but only is,
- has no past
- has no future.

Of course NOT ONE of these phrases is in the Bible. They're from Plato. And they're uncritically repeated by the Christian authors of typical systematic theology textbooks, and therefore, taught to young ministers in seminary.

In contrast, the Bible's statements about God and time are totally different. The phrases in the Scriptures all speak of God existing through unending time and an everlasting duration. The above timelessness terms are foreign to the reader of God's Word, whereas the Bible's many terms, as listed below, are all so very familiar from our reading of Scripture.

* The Bible Says about  Time that God Is:

Everlasting - From of old - Before ever He had formed the earth - The Ancient of Days - Before the world was - From before the ages of the ages - From ancient times - He continues forever - Remains forever - Immortal - The Lord shall endure forever - Forever and ever - Who lives forever - God’s years - manifest in His own time - God who is - Alive forevermore - Who was - Who is to come - Always lives - Forever - In the age to come - Continually - God’s years never end - From everlasting to everlasting - From that time forward, even forever - And of His kingdom there will be no end.

Of course ALL THESE are verbatim phrases from Scripture. NOT ONE MEANS TIMELESSNESS. Rather, they mean unending duration. So the Bible teaches the opposite of pagan Greek philosophy. (This is not surprising seeing, for example, that in Plato's Republic he says the state should decide when a woman can have a baby; that at birth the state should permanently take away babies from their parents; and that a baby born without the state's consent should be killed.)

For more about Time, God, the Bible, and physics, listen to this program, and then check out our article at kgov.com/is-God-outside-of-time.

*Post-Show Update: Bob and Fred will miss one of the fathers of the modern biblical creation movement, Dr. Duane Gish who has gone home to be with the Lord!

* The Sixth Senses: Forget Edgar Cayce and Jean Dixon. RSR hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams discuss the real sixth senses from the great article by Heather Brinson Bruce in Answers magazine on the senses beyond sight, taste, touch, smell, and hearing. For example, as famous evolutionists J.B.S. Haldane once admitted, if scientists ever discovered a biological organism that used a magnet, that would falsify evolution. Well, welcome to Real Science Radio! Because plenty of creatures have a sixth sense, using magnetism, including homing pigeons which use magnetoreception to find their way home. A spider distinguishes between a twig caught in its web blowing in the wind and a meal trying to get away by mechanoreceptors that detect the slightest change in the angles of joints in its exoskeleton. Creepy, yes, but awesome! And while Obi-Wan detecting a disturbance in the force is mere science fiction, real science had demonstrated that sharks can detect the electrical field generated when a fish's brain sends an electrochemical signal to its muscles, even if as weak as five billionths of a volt per cubic centimeter. Pit vipers can detect heat with a change in temperature of as little as 1/200th of a degree Fahrenheit! And not only, apparently, have whales evolved from bats :) but both use the most sophisticated echolocation. Oh yeah, and then there's our ability to perceive the laws of logic, math, and our own existence!

Bob and Fred recommend subscribing to Ken Ham's Answers magazine!

* NOW, Allegedly 350 Million Year Old Biological Material: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Really! Ha ha!

For today's show RSR recommends
Dr. Carl Werner's Living Fossils video and
its prequel Evolution, the Grand Experiment.

* Bob & Fred Have Fun with Science News:  Real Science Radio co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams discuss articles from the great Answers magazine, including...

* Galaxy Too Far Away To See Claimed Star Births: The so-called "supermom galaxy" that allegedly gives birth to 700 stars per Earth year is five billion light years away, far too distant to see a star, let alone a star being formed. The observations are agreed to by creationists and evolutionists. The public is misled however, to believe that the naturalistic  interpretations of the evolutionists are actually the observations themselves, or at least that they are as objective and certain as the observations. However, according to John Maddox, physicist and 23-year editor of the journal Nature, scientists don't even know, "which objects came first, stars or galaxies?" Thus, like PZ Myers, Richard Dawkins, and all the Darwin Marketing Reps, evolutionary astronomers oversell the public on their confidence gaffle.

For today's show RSR recommends
What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy:
Our Created Solar System!

* Noah's Ark Hollywood Blockbuster Coming Soon: Starring Russell Crowe as Noah, a major Hollywood production house is making a $130-million movie about the global flood of Genesis. Related: Regarding Noah's Arks, Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis organization is building a full-scale Noah's Ark in Kentucky, which will be one of the extraordinary memorial arks built! For as God often says, "Remember." UPDATE: As of May 2015, Crowe's Noah has lost $40 million as documented at rsr.org/noah-box-office.

* How Many Animals Were On The Ark: Check out Marcus Ross' great article, No Kind Left Behind, presents the taxonomic reasoning that suggests that Noah and his family would have had to care for 2,000 land-dwelling vertebrates on the ark. Then, regarding how quickly these animals could diversify and migrate, see http://rsr.org/baraminology, http://answersingenesis.org/media/video/am/v5-n3/rapid-speciation, and http://creation.com/Flood-biogeography.

* RSR with the Most Prolific Creationist Writer: Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart interviews Dr. Jerry Bergman, author of Whale Evolution: A Whale of a Tale. Dr. Bergman's degrees include Ph.D.s from the University to Toledo, Bowling Green, and Wayne State University. He has authored hundreds of publications and many books, including Slaughter of the Dissidents, Vestigial Organs Are Fully Functional, and his latest, Hitler and the NAZI Darwinian Worldview.

* Do Whales Have Vestigial Pelvic Bones? Dr. Bergman is an expert on the fanciful history of allegedly vestigial organs and their fading support for Darwinism. Read Dr. Bergman's whale article to see that scientists have not been able to confirmed that whales have vestiges of leg or pelvic bones; and neither do they have fetal teeth either. Related: In an informal debate at RealScienceRadio.com/eye, a University of California ophthalmology professor made a vestigial argument for the evolution of the human eye, which Dr. Bergman helped Bob Enyart to rebut.

* Land-Dwelling Rodhocetus Strangely Continues in Whale Ancestor Role: The discoverer of Rodhocetus, Dr. Philip Gingerich, wanted it to be a whale ancestor and so he drew it as a marine creature with flippers and a fluked tail. Now that enough of the skeleton has been discovered to accurately identify it as a land dweller, dramatically different from what qualified it as a reputed whale ancestor, regardless, the evolutionists insist on keeping it in the whale's lineage. Apparently, it's too big to fail. In a videotaped interview with RSR friend Dr. Carl Werner (see rsr.org/whale-evolution-problems), Rodhocetus discoverer Gingerich now says:

"I speculated that it might have had a fluke [whale-like tail], I now doubt that Rodhocetus would have had a fluked tail." [And regarding the imaginative whale-like flippers he had included in his reconstruction of the partial fossil, Gingerich also admitted] "Since then we have found the forelimbs, the hands, and the front arms of Rodhocetus, and we understand that it doesn't have the kind of arms that can spread out like flippers on a whale." -Dr. Philip Gingerich in Evolution: The Grand Experiment

* Perhaps Whales Evolved from Bats? Far more significant than the best evidence claimed for the famed Indohyus to be the land-dwelling ancestor of the whale, i.e, it's "thickened knob of bone in its middle ear", is the identical echolocation sequences in bats and whales (see Li, et al., 2010, Current Biology)! One wonders why Ying Li didn't try to become famous by claiming that the racoon-sized Indohyus ear bone thicked by convergence, whereas far more significant is the echolocation clade that shows that the closest organism to the whale is the bat!

* Journal Nature: Past 5,000 years prolific for changes to human genome: Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart and Fred Williams enjoy talking about what evolutionary geneticists have now admitted, that the human genome experienced the vast majority of its diversity in just the last 5,000 years, a time frame that fits well into the biblical chronology.

* Journal Nature: Dating features on the moon and Mars is guesswork: That's in space. But how about here on Earth? According to Nature, "Radiometric dates are some of the trickiest, most delicate and most disputed measurements on Earth."

* Leech Cocoon Helps Confirm a Young Earth: An allegedly 200-million year-old rock contains a leech cocoon, which preserves a protozoan which looks exactly like an extant species.

* The Perversion of Homosexuality Harms their Kids (of course): Mark Regnerus, of the University of Texas at Austin, after studying 3,000 American adults 18 to 39 published in a peer-reviewed social science journal his finding that those raised by homosexual parents had poorer mental and physical health, lower income levels, and more troubled personal relationships than those raised by intact heterosexual families. "This data overturns conventional wisdom,"

* Liquefaction Formed Continent-wide Flat-Gap Strata: On the world's continents there are beautifully uniform and "flat-gap" boundaries, as though formed by a putty knife, between sediments over hundreds of thousands of square miles around the globe. To a significant degree, these flat boundaries between strata are the result of the sorting after burial of minerals (along with animal fossils and vegetation in coal seams, etc.). Thus liquefaction helps to explain both the geologic column and the formation of highly purified (limestone, diatomaceous, etc.) deposits, through its potential for even continent-wide sorting of minerals into finely differentiated layers.

* Kevin Lea on Today's RSR: In this special edition of Real Science Radio, Kevin Lea, with his great knowledge of earthquakes, talks with Bob Enyart about a significant effect of earthquakes and strong tectonic activity: liquefaction. Pastor Lea of Calvary Church, Port Orchard, Washington, and Bob use Dr. Walt Brown's book In the Beginning as a guide to understand the worldwide effects that resulted from when the fountains of the great deep broke forth in the global flood.

* The "Law of Superposition" Is Wrong: As a general description of the world's sedimentary layers, this alleged natural "law" wrongly claims that, "Sedimentary layers are deposited in a time sequence, with the oldest on the bottom and the youngest on the top." In reality, a tremendous amount of sorting of minerals and fossils occurred underground when the continents' mile-deep sediments were first deposited.

* Two Post-show Program Notes on Related Stratification Mechanisms
- RSR's Grand Canyon series: Consider the canyon's "missing erosion" problem (in part 2 of our series) and the liquefaction solution to that problem (beginning at 25 minutes into in part 4.)
- Guy Berthault and Strata Formation: Additionally, as has been demonstrated by Guy Berthault's research in an RSR interview, describing experiments including with the massive laboratory flume operated by the University of Northern Colorado, fast running water deposits multiple layers nearly simultaneously, as multiple layers are deposited at virtually the same time in the direction of the flow at the leading edge of the new deposit. See video of these experiments and hear our interview on this at rsr.org/guy-berthault. This phenomenon explains some deposits, but liquefaction explains the massive, continent-wide mineral sorting into flat-gap strata.

* What is Liquefaction: See the formerly buried concrete structure on the right, which floated up during a Japan earthquake. Walt Brown quotes geologist Arthur Strahler, from book, Physical Geology, "These water-saturated deposits often experience a change in property known as liquefaction when shaken by an earthquake. The material loses strength to the degree that it becomes a highly fluid mud..." Kevin reports that after a recent Washington earthquake, geologists asked residents to report any sightings of mud flowing out of the ground so that they can better understand the dynamics of liquefaction.

* How Did Millions of Fish Get Squished Flat? By liquefaction! Listen and enjoy!

* Dinosaur Soft Tissue, Adam & Eve in DNA, Too Perfect Galaxy Clusters,  C-14 Everywhere: Real Science Radio co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old. Many of these scientific finds demand a re-evaluation of supposed billion-year ages. (Our List begins here.)

* Carbon-14 Found Everywhere It's Not Supposed To Be: Carbon-14 C14 decays in only thousands of years and therefore cannot last for millions. Thus evolutionists did not expect to find C-14 EVERYWHERE it shouldn't be if the earth were old (Answers 2011). Carbon-14 is found in petrified wood, coal, oil, limestone, graphite, natural gas, marble, deep ground water, dinosaur fossils, and even in supposedly billion-year-old diamonds! A secondary assumption by old-earth scientists proposes that the C-14 in diamonds (coal, etc.) must have come from C-13 and neutron capture. However, first, radio activity is concentrated in continental rock (see RSR Prediction below), and secondly, relatively speaking, radioactivity is relatively scare even in the continental crust, at least as documented by this U.S.G.S. report for enormous swatches of land. Thirdly, a geologist with a degree from Colorado's School of Mines who has a background in nuclear physics (who also spent years bombarding various elements with neutrons to make isotopes for industry), explained to RSR that Carbon does not easily absorb neutrons because it is the heavier elements beginning with Sodium that readily capture neutrons. Further, while it is possible but extremely unlikely that a Carbon atom will capture a free neutron, industrial processes use Carbon to slow down neutrons, whereas they use heavier elements, typically starting with Silicon, which is almost double the atomic weight of Carbon, for neutron capture. Consider also, as Dr. Paul Giem writes, that "since nitrogen-14 captures neutrons 110,000 times more easily than does carbon-13," samples with even tiny amounts of nitrogen would dramatically increase carbon dates, such that, "If neutron capture is a significant source of carbon-14 in a given sample, radiocarbon dates should vary wildly with the nitrogen content of the sample." Giem adds, "I know of no such data." And recognizing that U.S.G.S report of scarce crustal radioactivity for coal, basalt, shales, granite, fly ash, etc., Dr. Jonathan Sarfati builds upon Dr. Giem's research arguing that neutron capture could account for less than one 10,000th of the C-14 in diamonds (see these peer-reviewed calculations). See more at RealScienceRadio.com/Carbon-14.

* Wet Sand Hardens into Stone in Hours: Rather than taking geologic ages, here are three methods of rapidly turning sediments rock hard:
- water and common soil bacteria, in a couple hours, turn "soft sand" into "something resembling marble more than sandstone", according to scientists at Murdoch University who have gone from lab experiments to the marketplace where they spray bacteria-laiden water onto sand for landowners who want to prevent erosion. See RSF's Oops show, Science Alert, and Creation magazine's Speedy Stone article.
- vibration, forcing the water out of mud and causing the grains to settle into an extremely rock-hard material
- plain water, sprayed on soft limestone (as miners do in Australia) to turn it into hard rock.
If you are aware of documentation for these last two methods related to RSR by listeners, please email any documentation to us. Thanks!

* Dinosaur Soft Tissue, Adam & Eve in DNA, Too Perfect Galaxy Clusters,  C-14 Everywhere: Real Science Radio co-hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old. Many of these scientific finds demand a re-evaluation of supposed billion-year ages.

* Surtsey Island, Iceland: Of the volcanic island that formed in 1963, New Scientist reported in 2007 about Surtsey that "geographers... marvel that canyons, gullies and other land features that typically take tens of thousands or millions of years to form were created in less than a decade." Yes. And Iceland's official geologist wrote in the months after Surtsey formed, "that the time scale," he had been trained "to attach to geological developments is misleading." For what is said to "take thousands of years... the same development may take a few weeks or even days here," including to form "a landscape... so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief" with "wide sandy beaches and precipitous crags... gravel banks and lagoons, impressive cliffs… hollows, glens and soft undulating land... fractures and faultscarps, channels and screes… confounded by what met your eye... boulders worn by the surf, some of which were almost round..."

*  Now It's Allegedly Two Million Year-Old Leaves: "When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old..." sur-re-al: adjective: a bizarre mix of fact and fantasy. In this case, the leaves are the facts. Earth scientists from Ohio State and the University of Minnesota say that wood and leaves they found in the Canadian Arctic are at least two million years old, and perhaps more than ten million years old, even though the leaves are just dry and crumbly and the wood still burns!

* Lihir Gold Deposit: in Papua New Guinea, evolutionists assumed the more than 20 million ounces of gold in the Lihir reserve took millions of years to deposit, but as reported in Science magazine geologists can now demonstrate that the deposit could have formed in thousands of years, or far more quickly!

* Box Canyon, Idaho: Geologists now think Box Canyon in Idaho, USA, was carved by a catastrophic flood and not slowly over millions of years with 1) huge plunge pools formed by waterfalls; 2) the almost complete removal of large basalt boulders from the canyon; 3) an eroded notch on the plateau at the top of the canyon; and 4) water scour marks on the basalt plateau leading to the canyon. Scientists calculate that the flood was so large that it could have eroded the whole canyon in as little as 35 days. Creation Magazine, Sept. – Nov. 2008 page 7 from Science 23 May 2008, pp. 1067-1070

* For the LATEST Version of This Program: Just click now on rsr.org/not-so-old-things! (It's as fun as could be, and so informative too!) 

* Dinosaur Soft Tissue, Adam & Eve in DNA, Too Perfect Galaxy Clusters,  C-14 Everywhere: Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old. Many of these scientific finds demand a re-evaluation of supposed billion-year ages. Our list begins here and continues here and here.

* After the Soft Tissue Discoveries, NOW Dino DNA: Back in 2007 a North Carolina State University paleontologist took the Tyrannosaurus Rex photos to the right of original biological material. Now, in 2013, the dinosaur soft tissue discoveries include DNA, blood vessels, collagen, osteocytes, hemoglobin, red blood cells, and various proteins, as published in many leading scientific journals, including Nature, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, Bone, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which have published peer-reviewed papers confirming the discovery of original biological material and even of dinosaur soft tissue  from many dinosaurs and dinosaur-layer creatures including from T. Rex., hadrosaur, titanosaur, triceratops, Lufengosaur, mosasaur, and Archaeopteryx. See the web's most complete listing of these journal papers, with links and excerpts, at RSR's DinosaurSoftTissue.com#research.

* Opals Can Form in "A Few Months" And Don't Need 100,000 Years: A leading authority on opals, Allan W. Eckert, observed that, "scientific papers and textbooks have told that the process of opal formation requires tens of thousands of years, perhaps hundreds of thousands... Not true." A 2011 peer-reviewed paper in a geology journal from Australia, where almost all the world's opal is found, reported on the: "new timetable for opal formation involving weeks to a few months and not the hundreds of thousands of years envisaged by the conventional weathering model." More knowledgeable scientists resist the uncritical, group-think insistence on false super-slow formation rates (as also for manganese nodules, gold veins, stone, petroleum, canyons and gullies, and even guts, all below). Regarding opals, Darwinian bias led geologists to long ignore possible quick action, as from microbes, as a possible explanation for these mineraloids. For both in nature and in the lab, opals form rapidly, not even in 10,000 years, but in weeks. See this also from creationists in a geologist's article and a nuclear chemist's blog.

* The Scablands: The primary surface features of the Scablands, which cover thousands of square miles of eastern Washington, were long believed to have formed gradually. Yet, against the determined claims of uniformitarian geologists, there is now overwhelming evidence as presented even in a NOVA TV program that the primary features of the Scablands formed rapidly from a catastrophic breach of Lake Missoula causing a massive regional flood. Of course evolutionary geologists still argue that the landscape was formed over tens of thousands of years, now by claiming there must have been a hundred Missoula floods. However, the evidence that there was Only One Lake Missoula Flood has been powerfully reinforced by a University of Colorado Ph.D. thesis. So the Scablands itself is no longer available to old-earthers as de facto evidence for the passage of millions of years.

* The Heart Mountain Detachment: in Wyoming just east of Yellowstone, this mountain did not break apart slowly by uniformitarian processes but in only about half-an-hour as widely reported including in the evolutionist LiveScience.com, "Land Speed Record: Mountain Moves 62 Miles in 30 Minutes." The evidence indicates that this mountain of rock covering 425 square miles rapidly broke into 50 pieces and slid apart over an area of more than 1,300 square miles in a biblical, not a "geological," timeframe. 

* "150 Million" year-old Squid Ink Not Decomposed: This still-writable ink had dehydrated but had not decomposed! The British Geological Survey's Dr. Phil Wilby, who excavated the fossil, said, "It is difficult to imagine how you can have something as soft and sloppy as an ink sac fossilised in three dimensions, still black, and inside a rock that is 150 million years old." And the Daily Mail states that, "the black ink was of exactly the same structure as that of today’s version", just desicated. And Wilby added, "Normally you would find only the hard parts like the shell and bones fossilised but... these creatures... can be dissected as if they are living animals, you can see the muscle fibres and cells. It is difficult to imagine... The structure is similar to ink from a modern squid so we can write with it..." Why is this difficult for evolutionists to imagine? Because as Dr. Carl Wieland writes, "Chemical structures 'fall apart' all by themselves over time due to the randomizing effects of molecular motion."