Bob vs. Scientific American Editor Michael Shermer

Michael Shermer, an editor with Scientific American and the Skeptic Society, talks with Bob Enyart about God, science, and the Bible. In this famous 73-second excerpt, Shermer denied that the Bible is correct where it states that the sun should not be worshipped because it's not a god, but rather, that the sun is a light. Illustrating the difficulty in debating atheists because of their hesitancy to admit to even the most obvious common ground, Shermer famously replied that the sun is a not light.

Here's the transcript of that part of the discussion:

Enyart - "Much of the ancient world was wrong, thinking that the sun and the moon were gods, and the Bible was right, at least in this minor point, that they're for lights."

Shermer - "No, I don't think so."

Enyart - "I'm surprised that you won't concede this, that at least on this minor point, that the cosmology of the Bible is right, that they're not gods, they're lights."

Shermer - "Yeah, but that's not a correct cosmology, it's just a different interpretation."

Enyart - "What's incorrect about saying, 'They're not gods, the sun is a light, it's not a god.' What's incorrect about that?"

Shermer - "They're not lights!"

Enyart - "Oh, the sun is not a light?"

Shermer - "No."

CORRECTION: Thanks to atheist Brett Palmer for pointing out that we had previously incorrectly quoted Shermer as saying: "The sun is not a light." So we checked the audio and now provide the transcript above and correct the record. Shermer responded to: "Oh, the sun is not a light?" by saying: "No."