Bob's Debrief on the Discovery Institute's Alaska Cruise

* Back from Alaska and Loaded for Bear: Seattle's Discovery Institute (DI) is the world's leading advocate for intelligent design (ID). Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart, just back from his Alaska science trip, talks with co-host Fred Williams about the highlights. This great science cruise, hosted by DI to discuss ID, included speakers Stephen Meyer, John West, Paul Nelson, and Oxford's John Lennox.

* RSR Interviews with Discovery Institute Scientists and Associates:
Philosopher of Science Paul Nelson on Bird Flight
- Dr. Stephen Meyer on Darwin's Doubt and Rebutting Critics of Darwin's Doubt
- Intelligent Design Uncensored Co-Author Jonathan Witt
- Illustra Media Producer Lad Allen on Living Waters: Intelligent Design in the Oceans
- Walter ReMine on the Biotic Message 
Fired Jet Propulsion Lab Administrator David Coppedge on RSR
John West on Darwin Day in America
- Renowned Scientist Richard Sternberg on Junk DNA
- Illustra's Lad Allen on ORIGIN (and honoring James F. Coppedge)
- Scientist Who Helped Explain Protein on RSR: Doug Axe

* A Couple Encouraging Observations from the Discovery Instistute Cruise: From Bob's informal survey of most of the attendees of the Discovery Institute's Alaskan Cruise, a solid 50% of the group's supporters are young-earth creationists. Also, just fyi, when Daniel Hedrick introduced Bob Enyart as the author of A Christian Answer to Euthyphro's Dilemma (also linked to by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati), it was heartening to hear that Dr. Lennox was aware of our article and answer. (Months earlier, Dr. Lennox' assistant had told Tom Healey, a retired rancher in Texas that: Enyart's article is sitting on John's desk.) We hope that Dr. Lennox may be one of those who helps to promote this article because it solves the FULL Euthyphro Dilemma and not just the part of the argument thrown out by atheists. We go beyond the typical apologist's response to answer the deeper included question of: How can God Himself know that He is good? (Hint: A unitarian deity like Allah, if he existed, would have a way of determining for certain that he were evil, if he were; but he could not determine for certain whether he were good.)

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Unlocking the Mystery of of Life,
Darwin's Dilemma
Flight: The Genius of Birds
Metamorphosis
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- Intelligent Design Collection 3-films on DVD (Planet, Unlocking, & Dilemma)

* Fishy Limestone Risky Millstone: The guys also discuss the latest Creation magazine; the last two RSR shows with Liberty University's Richard Holland on God's relationship to time; and Bob's Open Theism debate (see it below) with theologian James White who tried to win the aftermath by agreeing, shockingly, with R.C. Sproul Jr.'s horrific comment, that "God the Son does not now nor has He ever had two natures." This has devastated all of us here at BEL & Real Science Radio. Please pray for everyone involved.
 

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* A Christian Answer to Euthyphro's Dilemma: As promised on today's program, here is Bob Enyart's article...

In a dialogue of Socrates with Euthyphro, a state's attorney heading to court in Athens to prosecute his own father, the Greek philosopher Plato reports an apparent dilemma for those who believe in God. Atheists argue that Euthyphro's Dilemma (see the full text, annotated, on our TOL site) shows that moral absolutes cannot logically flow from a divine being. As presented to the Christian:

1) Is something (like humility) good because God recognizes it as good? Or,
2) Is something good because God commands that it is good (as Socrates put it, because God loves it)?

Socrates’ dialogue with Euthyphro used these questions as the backdrop to show the logical contradictions in the Greek pantheon of gods. Even though Christian theology differs from Greek mythology, the atheist can still start his inquiry with these identical questions posed to the believer. Whether this argument still succeeds depends upon the force of this dilemma against the claims of Christianity. So, is something like kindness or honesty inherently good, and simply recognized by the Trinity as such, or does God make something, like kindness, good by deciding that it will be a good thing (that is, by approving, loving or commanding it)?

If God does not make something good by commanding it, but rather recognizes that which is good, what standard of righteousness does He use to make this judgment? If the standard is external to Himself, then it appears that contrary to Christian teaching, an authority superior to God would exist. If He Himself is the standard of righteousness, if by His will He decides whether some trait will be good, as though He could have decided otherwise, that appears arbitrary; and if His nature itself is claimed to define goodness itself, then how could God Himself even know whether He were good? Christians believe that God commands worship for a reason similar to why He commands a son to honor his father, because it is good for the son. But some non-Christians acknowledging no fear of the Creator assert that if a powerful being like the biblical God actually exists, perhaps he does not even realize it but He commands worship because He is selfish. Is there a valid response to this? Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is God the Son, and thus Christians should recognize that the Euthyphro Dilemma presents a valid question to be addressed, because the Gospel of John quotes Jesus Himself raising this concern. "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true [credible]." The New Testament presents a divine assertion, that God the Son urges others to obtain corroborating evidence to His claims. Thus by the recorded judgment of Jesus Christ Himself, if Euthyphro's dilemma is ultimately unanswerable then Christianity is falsified. Conversely, if Christianity is true then Euthyphro's Dilemma is answerable.

The skeptic, then, presents the Christian with two options: if God decides what kinds of traits will be considered “good,” then goodness itself appears arbitrary; otherwise, if goodness is not arbitrary but objective, then it appears that the “true” standard of righteousness would supersede God’s own authority.  more...

* Bob's Debate with James White: Is the future settled or open? First, If God is eternally free, and will forever be able to think new thoughts and write new songs, then how could the future be settled? Secondly, if God is not eternally free, what possible reason could He have had for trading away His freedom? Consider...

 

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